That was Kurt making a drunken pass at your wife after his girlfriend dropped him off at home, and your wife deflecting.

 

I can follow the conversation just fine the order it's in.

It sounds like Kurt got braver with distance and a lot of liquor in him.

Your wife didn't flat out tell him to stop because she was married, but I don't think Kurt flat out made it clear that he wanted to hookup for sex - at least he didn't say it in so many words.

Kurt, in his drunken state, felt that your wife was "open" to it. She wasn't.

What exchange took place the next day or days? Did Kurt apologize, did your wife tell him she would never consider cheating on you? Probably, I would guess.

Still, if I was in your shoes, I would not be comfortable with them meeting up again or staying in contact. Drunk or not, he made a pass at your wife.

 

She could tell something was upsetting me. I told her how I saw the texts and she said she is sorry she made a really poor decision. Says they both had way too much to drink.

I asked about the handholding. She says as they were walking to a bar, he grabbed her hand but she says she immediately pulled away. I said it's just odd that if you immediately pulled away hours later he would text that he liked it.

She says she feels absolutely nothing for him. I asked how she felt - clearly he is coming on to you. She says it grossed her out. I said you didn't seem grossed out. She says she would never ever do anything to jeopardize our life, our marriage, or the family.

I said you have made plans to see him again. She says he is her friend. She says in February a third "female coworker" will also be with them so he couldn't try anything, and even if he did I need to trust that she would never ever do anything. I said I would rather you not see him at all.

So I've barely slept for two weeks. Two nights ago we are at her parents. It was still eating at me. Again I got the I would never jeopardize our family speech. I said then comply with my request and don't see him anymore. She said fine! But it's like you don't trust me!!

And she is right. I don't. I also travel for work and see how others act when away from home. And yes I've flirted too, but have never cheated. I don't think she did anything- jury still out on handholding- but I am afraid that she will next time she is in Cleveland. Certainly he will be looking for something when she is out there.

The first day home she immediately disabled the texts on her iPad so I won't be able to see her messages anymore. But the problem will be in Cleveland. I'm handcuffed to the kids out here when she is in Cleveland.

I subscribe to where there is smoke there is fire. The last contact at least from cell phone and texts were over a week ago, and seemed work related. I appreciate any feedback you folks can provide.

 

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I said you have made plans to see him again. She says he is her friend. .... I got the I would never jeopardize our family speech. I said then comply with my request and don't see him anymore. She said fine! But it's like you don't trust me!!...

She doesn't deserve your trust. She didn't tell you what happened, you had to tell her why you were visibly upset...that's her lying by omission.

She mentioned having to delete the conversation...that's trying to hide her inappropriate behavior, so she knew it was inappropriate.

She immediately removed text from the Ipad so you can't see stuff in the future...that shows she plans to continue to hide, which shows she plans to pursue the inappropriate behavior.

She never turned the guy down about being in the hotel together for next time. She has shown the OM she doesn't have a boundary there.

She made plans to be with him again.

Even if she says she won't see him again, I wouldn't believe her.

 

For the most part looks like light flirting. The sweetie part from Kurt caught my eye though. Who calls one of their subordinates "sweetie"?

 

She said the last time she talked to him he mentioned some job related stuff that he also talked about that night so her logic is "clearly he is drunk, and doesn't remember". I think he obviously still has the texts on his phone, whether he remembers or not

 

I would make sure your wife and Kurt are never together again. That exchange crossed the line. Drunk or not. Her boundaries and respect for you and your marriage dropped really low that night.

The comment about having to delete the convo is also disturbing. She knew what she was doing was inappropriate and she was telling him she would delete the evidence while making plans to meet him again in the future.

You also should find out who his "friends" in your town are. Where they discussing ways to communicate through "friends" so they would not leave an electronic trail that you might find?

Go with your gut. Something is not right here.

 

He doesn't truly have friends here. That was a red flag for me. The friends referenced were an "Asian couple" that was at the bar he was at last time he was out here and they struck up a conversation with him. He also no longer works for the bank- so he'd have no legitimate reason to be out here. Again I can keep an eye out at home but not Cleveland.

 

Ask her if it was the other way around would she be so cavalier.

I don't think so.
This may be one of the few times here where you caught this early before anything really happened.

 

I agree

 

I believe your wife about the hand holding. Kurt was blasted and had a different perspective. Your wife is nice to Kurt, treats him as a friend, in his drunken state he wanted more and assumed more.

I don't think your wife would cheat on you, or I should say, I don't think she has any intention of cheating on you.

She thinks she can still just be friends, even though Kurt wants more.

Does she acknowledge that Kurt wants more?

No matter what, I don't want my wife going out with or even communicating any longer with any "friend" that wants to have sex with her. Third party along to "chaperone" or not.

Your wife has done nothing wrong, except her boundary is different than yours. She's not seeing it from your perspective.

Ask your wife if there was a woman you used to work with that you met with as friends, and she got drunk and made a pass at you, would your wife be comfortable with you continuing to be friends with the woman, still communicate with the woman, still go out with the woman, still naively say that the woman is just a friend?

 

Brother, he made a pass at your wife.

There are two things you can do. You can ignore it and hope to God your wife doesn't develop feelings for him. Your wife is lying to you by the way. She enjoyed the attention. She was flattered. She was ASKING about his girlfriend being in the car... She was seeing if this girlfriend was a serious catch or not... She was testing the waters too.

Whenever she goes out to Cleveland, which she will, she will have the urge to 'hook up' with him and take it further. This is the truth.

Up until now, it was fairly harmless.

Men do not hang out with women as friends unless at least one of them is attracted to the other. Your wife might not have been attracted to 'sweetie' but it has now escalated.

There is no way she can ever contact him again without the possibility of an affair occurring. You do not tell a woman she is hot unless you want to see her naked.

I would seriously tell your wife that she did not respect the boundaries of your marriage. She should have cut him off immediately and forever with that pass. She should not speak to him any more and if she does, well maybe she should just move out there.

It sounds harsh, but she is your wife. I made the mistake of trusting my wife with male friends. I do not make that mistake any more.

 

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I would seriously tell your wife that she did not respect the boundaries of your marriage. She should have cut him off immediately and forever with that pass. She should not speak to him any more and if she does, well maybe she should just move out there.
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I agree. It's not like they work together any more, and he proved he's not out for her friendship.

She likes the attention...if it really made her sick, she wouldn't have made plans to see him again.

 

" Again I got the I would never jeopardize our family speech. I said then comply with my request and don't see him anymore. She said fine! But it's like you don't trust me!!

The first day home she immediately disabled the texts on her iPad"

These are red flags you need to pay attention to, cheaters script and actions.

Start reading this:

http://talkaboutmarriage.com/coping-infidelity/32002-welcome-tam-cwi-newbies-please-read.html
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He is a menace to your family. She either accepts that and cuts him off or things will get worse.
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She has no business ever seeing this guy again.

Too bad you tipped her off to the texts.

She must tell him you saw the texts and she can never see him again.

 

He suggests they eat in her hotel room next time and she gives him a

There is something terribly wrong with that picture.

 

:iagree::iagree:

 

Was the conversation deleted by the time she arrived home?

What has she said about changing the iPad settings to try to hide future stuff from you?

Those actions are not exactly trust-builders, are they?

 

As others have pointed out, she definitely was being "flirty" with him and enjoying his attention.

Many times we have seen on this forum a cheating wife who says "I liked the attention and felt like I had to have sex with other man to keep the attention coming."

Not at all uncommon - trading sex for attention.

Even with guys who are way older or way younger and completely unattractive. It happens enough.

 

The only thing I can tell you is if you know how to turn the Ipad back on and read the texts then do it and if it you told her no contact if she continues.

The only problem is now she knows you can read them so if need be, hire a PI and have her followed.

 

Why is he calling her by a nickname you gave her?

Notice how she began the conversation and ended it by giving him the date she would be in town the next time, telling him to save the date (with an exclamation mark) and that she was hoping he would be in town when she arrives.

I think you need to find a babysitter for Feb and go with your wife on that next trip to see Kurt.

 

:iagree::iagree:

I think a 'hell yeah' is in order.

 

PI would be better. Don't mention it again until she goes. Let her think you forgot.

 

She also told him not to forget her.

 

No the convo wasn't deleted on the phone or iPad until after I confronted her. Then later that day the iPad was disabled.

Last week we were intimate twice. Usually we are intimate 1-2 a month. (I am willing just about any day and night). So it isn't like I'm a guy that doesn't want it.

This week when she found out I was still upset she tells me I need to drop it nothing would happen and it's going to drive a wedge between us. That was when I said I don't want her to see him again.

 

This week when she found out I was still upset she tells me I need to drop it nothing would happen and it's going to drive a wedge between us. That was when I said I don't want her to see him again.
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Why yes, you having inappropriate interaction with a man who is not YOUR HUSBAND will drive a wedge between us. I'm glad you see that and will stop all communication with him.

 

I never confronted her about turning the iPad off. At this point I won't it's been two weeks, and I know if she turns it back on then she won't post anything worth while.

 

Usually we are intimate 1-2 a month.

There is something wrong with this seriously especially for a fairly young couple.
You should be 1 to 2 times a week.
MC may be in order.

 

I also let her know that I was rereading the texts the other day, she got very angry that I kept a pic and insisted I delete them.

 

She knows what she's doing is inappropriate. This is called projecting.

 

I guess what I was trying to say in prior post is that these things - flirting with other man - doesn't happen in a vacuum. There was her work relationship with him, she got along well with him, she enjoyed going out with him even when work was no longer involved - all the while there were other issues in your marriage that you didn't give much thought to, things had become routine, you took each other for granted - and then along comes other man and your focus is solely on him. You should be focused on your wife breaking off contact with him, but also with why she feels the need for contact so strongly with some guy who she only exchanges a few calls with every now and then and only meets up with every 3-4 months. If a woman like that bothered your wife, you probably would have no qualms of ending it immediately, even if you had no intention of cheating. Why does your wife not feel that way?

 

@Will. Honestly you are right and this was a bit of a wake up call.

I try it initiate sex at least 1-2 a week but usually only get it 1-2 a month. She will often blame her weight issues, not losing all of the baby weight (which to me I don't care one bit about) We both agreed to try to make more time for each other. It is tough with two young kids at home to go out. Both of our families live 2-3 hours away. We've actually begun to use one of the daycare aides as a babysitter. Last week I got flowers one day, cooked dinner one night. She says I don't need to do these things that she loves me. I've made suggestions to go away for a weekend or an overnight and she seems receptive we need to find a babysitter willing to do an overnight.

Last week the new boss was in town. So several coworkers all went out as a group Monday and Wednesday night at the last minute. I made sure not to give her a hard time. She came home very tipsy Wednesday around 9:00 She told me she was appreciative that I let her go out. That she sometimes needed to feel like she felt before kids. Where for a few hours she doesn't have to worry about being a mother. Aside: she is a GREAT mom to the kids, and until last week NEVER goes out.

 

We've actually begun to use one of the daycare aides as a babysitter. I've made suggestions to go away for a weekend or an overnight and she seems receptive we need to find a babysitter willing to do an overnight.

You need to start doing this. You will enjoy it, too. Even if it means driving 2-3 hours where your families live on a Friday night after work, dropping the kids, staying in a hotel Friday night and Saturday night, then picking up the kids and coming home Sunday morning. Maybe every 3 months or so.

Use the babysitter to go on a date with your wife every couple of weeks.

Everything everyone else is posting about her ending contact with other man is right on the money, too. She will be a lot more receptive after you do the romantic type things alone with her. Talking about and agreeing is one thing, actually doing is another, and makes a big difference in how much she will want to see other man and risk ruining what she has with you.

You should continue to hold firm, when the subject comes up, that seeing other man is not acceptable to you. Do not threaten any consequences unless you are willing to follow through.