[EleGirl]

Good Lord, you mean it could have been more sensitive than it already is!? Thanks Mom & Dad!

:rofl:

 

[larry.gray]

When males are circumcised, some skin is removed.

Your labia minora is "some skin."

Are you willing to permanently sacrifice "some skin" if your husband asked you to?

 

[Zig]

Female circumcision generally very different from male circumcision. When males are circumcised, some skin is removed. When women are ‘circumcised’ in the manner is it done to millions of women in 3rd world countries, the clitoris and labia are removed and the women is sewn up to leave only an opening big enough for a penis. The purpose is to prevent women from enjoying sex.

Female circumcision is illegal in all Western countries to prevent immigrants from performing this total removed of a girls external genitalia.

"Yeah, male circumcision is TOTALLY different from female circumcision. I mean, it's not like you're taking a knife to a newly born infant's genit.......Oh wait"

 

[Anonymous07]

I have to say I am extremely surprised that people are actually comparing male circumcision to female circumcision. There are not even in the same category. People need to do their research if they actually believe the two are similar.

 

[larry.gray]

I have to say I am extremely surprised that people are actually comparing male circumcision to female circumcision. There are not even in the same category. People need to do their research if they actually believe the two are similar.

No surprise that it's somebody without a penis that says cutting one is no big deal.

Yep, as far as I'm concerned they are exactly the same thing. Nobody is cutting the genitalia of any child of mine.

Some FGM goes to the extreme of removing the clitoris and that's a little worse. When it comes to the sexual equivalency, the foreskin is much like the labia minora and the gland of the penis is like the clitoris. Removing the foreskin is cutting off 20,000 nerve endings AND it is permanently altering the function of the gland because it will dry out and no longer be as sensitive.

Women presume that since a guy can still orgasm, it must still be all good. The reality is that sexual dysfunction is GREATLY increased. Ever have a man with PE? Good chance being cut contributed to it. In 10-20 years if your husband has ED, it can be in part due to being cut.

 

[Anonymous07]

No surprise that it's somebody without a penis that says cutting one is no big deal.

Yep, as far as I'm concerned they are exactly the same thing. Nobody is cutting the genitalia of any child of mine.

If you have read anything I have written in this thread, you'll see how I feel about male circumcision.

However, female circumcision is not even close to being similar to that of what male circumcision is. I have done research on both and did a long research paper on female circumcision. The two are extremely different.

Info on FGM: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

Male circumcision can have medical benefits, as I previously talked about in regards to UTIs. FGM has absolutely nothing that would be beneficial.

 

[larry.gray]

I bet if they researched it, they'd find that the rates of STI are lower after FGM. Probably the biggest factor is that it reduces promiscuity.

Neither are a good excuse to mutilate either gender.

 

[larry.gray]

I have done research on both and did a long research paper on female circumcision. The two are extremely different.

Yep, because FGM is only practiced in a small portion of the world and condemned over most of the rest of it whereas mutilation of infant males is promoted all over the world.

 

[Anonymous07]

I bet if they researched it, they'd find that the rates of STI are lower after FGM. Probably the biggest factor is that it reduces promiscuity.

Neither are a good excuse to mutilate either gender.

Girls/Women with FGM have higher rates of infections, which has already been studied.

It reduces promiscuity because it makes it extremely physically painful to have sex.

The two are not similar at all.

 

[larry.gray]

The two are not similar at all.

Easy to say when you're not mutilated because of societal pressure when I and most of the men on this thread have been.

 

[RandomDude]

I don't know if many circumsized men are complaining =/

I wonder if there are folks here on this forum who went through adult circumcision and can tell the difference between cut/uncut and whether the 20,000 nerve endings include the pleasure centers.

 

[larry.gray]

I don't know if many circumsized men are complaining =/

I wonder if there are folks here on this forum who went through adult circumcision and can tell the difference between cut/uncut and whether the 20,000 nerve endings include the pleasure centers.

Most of the time it is done because of a dysfunction, so the guy will go from being unable to be sexual to being able to, so they will see it as a positive change.

 

[Anonymous07]

I don't know if many circumsized men are complaining =/

I wonder if there are folks here on this forum who went through adult circumcision and can tell the difference between cut/uncut and whether the 20,000 nerve endings include the pleasure centers.

I'm not a man, nor do I know about before vs after being cut, but I can say that my husband is very sensitive there as an uncut man.

 

[Thundarr]

I have to say I am extremely surprised that people are actually comparing male circumcision to female circumcision. There are not even in the same category. People need to do their research if they actually believe the two are similar.

You and Ele are correct A7. The motive and consequence of female circumcision is more extreme. I'm a circumcised male and it's not a big deal for me. Find a circumcised female who will say the same.

Ok guys, why not give merit to A7's and Ele's valid point that female circumcision affects women way more adversely than male circumcision affects us? It's blatently obvious they aren't talking about the concept of skin being cut but are rather talking about the affect it has and the motive for it. Little objectiveness please.

 

[larry.gray]

I'm a circumcised male and it's not a big deal for me. Find a circumcised female who will say the same.

Given the environment where most of the victims of FGM live, they probably won't even be willing to talk about such subjects. Most of the women do want their own daughters to receive the same treatment though because they don't think a man would find her attractive without having it done.

That does sort of sound familiar huh?

Ok guys, why not give merit to A7's and Ele's valid point that female circumcision affects women way more adversely than male circumcision affects us? It's blatently obvious they aren't talking about the concept of skin being cut but are rather talking about the affect it has and the motive for it. Little objectiveness please.

The affect depends on the level of FGM. It ranges from a ritual cut as practiced in oceana to severe destruction as practiced in North Africa. That means it can range from less severe than what is practiced here to far more devastating that robs a woman of any enjoyment.

The motive is very similar for both cases. You can talk about why it started - but why it continues is the same for both boys and girls being mutilated.

 

[EleGirl]

Yep, because FGM is only practiced in a small portion of the world and condemned over most of the rest of it whereas mutilation of infant males is promoted all over the world.

Male circumcision is also practiced in a small portion of the world.

"Over 80% of the world's males are not circumcised. Though many people associate circumcision with Jews, most circumcised males are Muslims. The United States has the highest rate of non-religious circumcisions of male infants in the world (32.5%).


How Male Circumcision Harms Women

Over 140,000 Million women world wide have FGM.
What is FGM? | Desert Flower Foundation

You have ignored that fact that FGM is equivalent to cutting off a man’s dVck so that he cannot enjoy sex. That's quite a bit different than cutting off lose skin.

I'm not advocating for circumcision. I'm just arguing against the nonsense that FGM is equivalent to male circumcision.

I elected to not have my son circumcised. I viewed it as unnecessary.

And I sure as hell would never allow any girl in my care to get FGM.

 

[Thundarr]

Given the environment where most of the victims of FGM live, they probably won't even be willing to talk about such subjects. Most of the women do want their own daughters to receive the same treatment though because they don't think a man would find her attractive without having it done.

That does sort of sound familiar huh?

The affect depends on the level of FGM. It ranges from a ritual cut as practiced in oceana to severe destruction as practiced in North Africa. That means it can range from less severe than what is practiced here to far more devastating that robs a woman of any enjoyment.

The motive is very similar for both cases. You can talk about why it started - but why it continues is the same for both boys and girls being mutilated.

To be clear, I'm no fan of it for either sex and I don't think OP should consider it. Seems like nature gave us what we're supposed to have so I don't really buy the health reasons either. I do think it seems like a more important part is removed if a woman's trigger is gone. Maybe that's not common.

 

[EleGirl]

Given the environment where most of the victims of FGM live, they probably won't even be willing to talk about such subjects. Most of the women do want their own daughters to receive the same treatment though because they don't think a man would find her attractive without having it done.

That does sort of sound familiar huh?



The affect depends on the level of FGM. It ranges from a ritual cut as practiced in oceana to severe destruction as practiced in North Africa. That means it can range from less severe than what is practiced here to far more devastating that robs a woman of any enjoyment.

The motive is very similar for both cases. You can talk about why it started - but why it continues is the same for both boys and girls being mutilated.

I am talking about the more sever form we call FGM.

Female circumcision only removes some skin, the hood around the clitoris. FGM is the more sever case in which they remove the external gentalia.

If you are going to take the argument that FGM does not matter because it's not done here or it's "only" done to some women in Africa and the Middle East, then don't expect a lot of women to give give a **** about if a male get circumcised.

To compare FGM to male circumsition makes me ill.

 

[larry.gray]

If you are going to take the argument that FGM does not matter because it's not done here or it's "only" done to some women in Africa and the Middle East, then don't expect a lot of women to give give a **** about if a male get circumcised.

I turn that right back around: The fact that you don't seem to get upset about it happening to little boys here then why should I care about girls over there?

To compare FGM to male circumsition makes me ill.

Good - because it should all make you ill.

Oh, let's not forget - you weren't mutilated either, so you're only talking about it in the abstract here. I'm talking about something I personally had happen to me. Perhaps that's why I take it personal?

 

[Daneosaurus]

I am with EleGirl. FGM is NOT circumcision, it is truly mutilation. I am against all circumcision that is not medically necessary - to include religious reasons. In this country, we outlawed the most extreme portions of other religions (especially Santeria). So to continue to allow this for religious reasons is also absurd. The operation should be outlawed, unless medically necessary - and in most cases it isn't.
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