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Separation is Approaching A Year Now/Feels Like Abandonment

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#1 · (Edited)
(A Somewhat Lengthy Read)


This is my second marriage. I(currently)(59) married a woman(55) who had represented herself to be somewhat financially well-off, as I had left my job with the Fed in order to marry and move away with her. Her mantra was that she was so well-off financially(est. @low to mid seven figures) that it would not really require me to work full-time, although I do have a flourishing avocational occupation. We had dated about a year before deciding to tie the knot, and have subsequently been married for some 7+ years. A pre-nuptial agreement had been drawn up and signed prior to the wedding.

She had kids from her previous marriage as did I. Mine, I am proud to say, are very studious, ambitious, and educationally inclined, as they both are honor students; one at a major university and the other at a private school. Her's have always been lazy, being nothing more than problem students and dropouts, choosing to leave school in favor of embracing the drug culture, tattoo emporiums, law enforcement, and ultimately the judicial system. All have records for drug possession with one having actually done time in county incarceration.

She had never given me any notable information or explanation about her finances, nor did I ever make that request as I came to trust her implicitly. I felt that it was not really any of my business. Without hesitation she was always gracious enough upon insisting that she pay for my kids educational expenses to keep them from incurring any student loans.

In December of 2010, a local girl who was in her early 20's, who my STBXW knew as a contractor that she had employed from time to time, moved into our house at her insistence and my relationship with my STBXW was headed South ever since. My STBXW said that she had invited this girl to move in because she really had nowhere else to live. And from that point in time, my STBXW had little to no time for me, staying on the road.


So in early March, 2011, my STBXW came into my study to annonce to me that she wanted a "trial separation" coinciding with my kids getting out of school for the Spring semester. She intoned that she was now greatly concerned about her finances and could no longer afford to pay the tuition of my secondary school child. However, she said that she would steadfastly continue to financially support my college child with tuition, since she was an alumnus of the college that he attends as a student. She said that this "trial separation" in effect, would allow us to communicate from afar and that we could get together occasionally for a family meal at a local restaurant allowing us to try to work things out between us. She thought that it would be best that I move to a locale about a half-hour away, to the city where my sons college and high school are located, supposedly to cut down on drive time and gasoline expenses.

Now I really do not know if this separation actually stemmed from the stock market heading South, in essence taking a lot of her wealth from her, but she made it abundantly clear that my spending habits, which were primarily for joint household living expenses, and mostly for food, gasoline, liquor for her, bills, pets, and livestock, were not what she wanted. By the same token, it was not uncommon for her to continue to lavish money on her own kids for cars, a separate residence of their own, insurance, tattoos, and to just be there for them whenever they needed to be bailed out of jail or needed money for any legal representation. She highly resented my informing her of whenever I happened to run across overt evidence of drugs, residue, or alcohol in the house that these minors of hers were bringing in both with and without her knowledge. I haven't even mentioned the shady druggies that frequently came by to keep her kids company and to obviously ply their wares.

She wanted my college-aged child to be told of the impending separation almost straight away, but absolutely did not want my secondary school child to have any knowledge of it until such time that he returned from his out-of-state class trip. This was done under the guise that she did not want to jeopardize his good grades, final exams, and class trip to cause him any worry and anxiety. She then physically helped to move the vast majority of our belongings out of the main house into our rent home some 30 miles away in another county where the kids and I now reside. The youngest child actually returned from his class trip and was taken to our "new residence" with little more than an awkward explanation from me.

My STBXW initially did not want any of her family members to have any knowledge of the separation. I honored that, but later discovered that her family had ultimately learned about the separation from her. Since then, I have had virtually no contact with them as well. To date, there has not been as much as a telephone call from my STBXW in these nearly 9 months of separation, much less any of her extended family members. My kids both still think the world of her and have driven over to see her and her extended family members on several occasions and she and my kids stay in touch via telephone and Facebook. But since she had us moved out, she will rarely send a text message or an email to me and then it will only be geared toward business matters, i. e. a bill or some pressing business matter. She randomly shows up at our residence without the slightest notice whenever she is in town, usually with boxes of our clothing or other belongings in tow. She is ultra-cordial and talkative to my sons, but verbally will not give me the time of day. She is truly a physically beautiful woman, and when I see her, it can occasionally make me begin to long for her. But in my heart I know all too well that there is absolutely nothing there but coldness anymore.

Whenever I go back over to our old home to try to retrieve personal items, she gets quite defensive about my presence there without providing her with prior knowledge of my coming. My entire rationale is that if I did inform her of such, she would simply find a reason to either not be there or to answer the door. I still have a lot of my own family's furniture and antiques all acquired through inheritance still there, along with stored clothing and personal effects in the house and also in her warehouse. All too often, when I do show up, there is no one home, newspapers collecting on the front lawn, and the house is securely locked up. Upon my leaving, she took the liberty of removing the house key off of my key ring, but strangely enough, she let my sons retain theirs. I absolutely refuse to even try to enter the house when she is not there for fear of any possible legal ramifications.

She travels both internationally and domestically rather frequently on trips designed to help her monitor her investments in the cities that she has them in. Trips to Asia, Europe, the Carribean and Hawaii are not uncommon. In my marriage years, I never once was asked to accompany her on any of them as she usually went with other friends and business associates of hers. I got to stay home and take care of things while she travelled. And since moving out, I am never informed of any of these trips by her, usually finding out about them from one of my kids.

In early November, she came by late one night shortly after I had gone to bed. She brought over some boxes that the boys helped her bring into our house. Sometime the next afternoon, I also discovered a typed sheet of paper that she had discretely placed listing some minor inventory items with attached monetary values of the goods that she had brought over that evening. Inside that folded paper was a sealed envelope with my name written in her handwriting on the front. After opening it up, I saw that it was a copy of a filed petition for divorce from our original home county where she resides. Although she left the copy of the petition for divorce, according to my attorney, that is still not deemed to be legal service in my state. So until I legally receive proper service, my attorney advises doing nothing for the time being. My STBXW sent out an email in January asking if I had seen the "legal letter" that she left here. Upon advice of counsel, I was told to tell her that I had indeed seen it and was contemplating what steps that I might possibly take. But according to my attorney, that in no way implies legal service in Texas.

It was not uncommon for her to call and invite the boys to her family gatherings such as Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve. The boys asked me if they could go, and I agreed that they might enrage her if they didn't since she still throws money their way if they need it. My eldest is still having his college tuition and expenses largely subsidized by her, as well as supplying him with one of her vehicles to drive. He's fearful that if he doesn't stay in lockstep with her requests, that she could ultimately cut them both off. That hurts me nearly as much as my separation and impending divorce from her.

On a very recent trip over to see her, she told the boys that she was leaving to take a Mardi Gras vacation in NO, from Feb. 11 through the 22nd. She told them that a friend was picking her up and driving them to NO. I'm thinking that she is on a cruise out of NO up until the final days of Mardi Gras. I can't help but believe that during this entire episode since my moving out, that she has been busy seeing someone. She has changed her name on FB back to her name when I first met her. I've often thought that she might leak certain details on FB about her lifestyle that I could possibly put in my lawyers hands, but since I do not do FB, that's really not an option. And even if I did, I think she'd restrict me in some way.

The pain from all of this has caused me to greatly lose sleep as I have only managed to average some 4 to 5 hours a night at best while trying to manage the living activities for my sons and me.

I am primarily living off of my Fed retirement as it most difficult these days for a man in his late 50's to get the opportunity to reenter the work force, more especially in this downturned economy of ours. She has even intoned that I could live off of federal assistance. But I was quick to assert that that since I was not yet even eligible for Social Security benefits, that that wasn't even a remote possibilty since we are still deemed to be married in a community property state. Given all of this, I really can see no discernible hope for this marriage. My eldest child feels like he and his brother have been squarely placed between a rock and a hard place, in that if they truly vent their frustrations about the current state of affairs, that the proverbial money and tuition card would be pulled from them. So they both try to empathize with me, but must remain quiet in the whole process of things. I still am having to foot the bill for my youngest son's private school tuition which I don't mind doing at all.

I have tried to immerse myself by becoming busy in joining a local church, but at times, the lonliness seems to get the better part of me. I'm also in the process of selecting a family counselor to have to bounce things off of, as I already have done with my pastor. I just wanted to share my rather lengthy story with you, and see if any of you had any similar circumstances or ideas. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart if you've taken your time to read this far. Best of luck to you all and may our Lord and Saviour richly bless all of you!
 
#4 ·
I'm sorry to say, but it looks like you were a novelty for her, and now the novelty has worn off.
She basically bought you by dangling her wealth in front of your face, which led you to leave everything including a job, that would have been your major source of security.
As a woman...no matter how much money we make, we want a guy who will have the ability to assert himself by proving that he can take care of himself and us as well if everything goes South in our finances.
I understand that she swept you off your feet, but that's mostly power trip. (which is wrong, any way you look at it)
Now...her maintaining your children on her payroll is still some sort of powertrip. He's screwed you by ruining your life but you have no other choice but to take it, because she still throws money your kids way. It's a choice now whether you suck it up or do what is legally right, if so...
I hope you have a very good lawyer, who can at least get you a chunk of her wealth, enough for you to live comfortably and support your children as well.
it's cold...but it's all business now.
 
#5 ·
Thanks for your input! Legally speaking, that's what the pre-nup was all about. And it should protect her, other than the willingly co-mingled assets. But in my heart of hearts, I really don't want one red cent of hers~ basically all that I truly desire is to get what possessions that rightfully belong to me out of her house.

One of the biggest problems that I'm encountering right now is that I love the STBXW's extended family dearly: mother, sister, and brother; cousins and friends. My sister-in law texted me on Christmas Day and I replied back by text. No other contact from any of them to speak of. But I'd absolutely love to see all of them again as I think they're laying low primarily out of embarrassment. I've often wondered if I should try to make contact with them at some point in time, albeit by phone call, email, or snail mail.

Going through Valentines Day yesterday was just as rough as Christmas, but I'm trying to get through them one day at a time.
 
#7 ·
You deserve all your possessions out of the house and perhaps some kind of settlement regarding losing your livelihood for the marriage, and also, possibly, a settlement concerning the tuition, since she made a verbal promise to pay for these things. It probably won't make much difference (legally speaking) if she is having an affair or not--I would try not to anguish over this possibility. But if she has the money to buy herself out of the mess she's created, I would accept any settlement she offers. It sounds like she's adept at buying people's friendship. Sorry you went through this. Do try to reach out to her family, the worst they can do is not return your messages. They may not be talking to you much because they don't want disclose her new relationship.
 
#8 ·
There will be no settlement, no contractual agreement on her part as the pre-nup should totally insulate her. And even if it didn't, I would still feel rather dirty taking any money from her. My pastor recommends no initiating of contact with her family until such time that the legal proceedings reach some semblence of completion. I've already set up a counseling session, and definitely not with the one that I went to with my STBXW early last year.
 
#9 · (Edited)
The strange thing here was even in our final days together, provided she was home and not away on one of her many trips, she still allowed me to kiss her, and there were no arguments. In fact, we had sex up until about 5 weeks prior to my moving out. There had not been any arguments since a meltdown she had had just prior to her declaring that "trial separation." We were cordial, went about our business. A few days after the move-out, she brought some things over to me, and being the affectionate guy that I am, I went to give her a kiss and got turned away quite coldly. I think that that's when reality finally set in and I saw that there was not going to be any kind of reconciliation. Not only was I right in that regard, there has been absolutely no telephonic communication from her. Maybe I wrongly assumed that I would let her be the one to open the door to call me, since she was the one who had abandoned me. I never felt compelled to call her primarily because I just felt that I owed her nothing.

In any event, if an EA ever took place, I feel that it was at some point after I was ordered out of the house. And if there's one going on now, I think she's keeping it pretty well under wraps!
 
#10 ·
Have scheduled a meeting tomorrow afternoon with legal counsel, a fairly prominent family attorney, to get the ball rolling on my divorce countersuit. Sitting through church this morning was especially hard, hearing about the power of forgiveness. In my heart, I, as a Christian man, must forgive my STBXW for this nearly one-year unwarrented separation and "cone of silence" that she has brought about. Being the Christian woman that she is supposed to be, I can only hope and pray that time will truly convict her conscience for both her actions and inactions. I've wrestled with this long enough and I feel that it's time that I start getting pro-active in the legal arena. Both my pastor and my family counselor agree that it's definitely time to move on. Just needed to vent. Will keep you all posted of any new developments! Thanks!
 
#11 ·
Ask your attorney, but I do believe that she has not right to kick you out of the family home. So when she's on travel just go to where she is living and get your things.

Also have your attorney ask the court to allow you to enter the house and the storage to get any remaining items.

IMHO, she is handling this in the way she has in the hopes that you do not go after her for all that you can get from her.

Good luck on your divorce.
 
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#12 ·
She's sole owner (on the deed) of the home as per the pre-nup. She took the liberty of removing my house key from my key ring when I was "ordered out." If I should subsequently enter that dwelling without her express permission, then I could be construed as having "broken and entered", a felony offense here in Texas.

She had promised on several occasions to deliver the balance of my belongings but things got in the way like, "it's too hot to move things" or "it's too cold to move things"; so virtually nothing has happened. Also, our diamond wedding/engagement ring set belonged to my now deceased mom and dad. I'd like to get her bands back as they were family heirlooms handed down to me at their passing. I greatly fear that she'll want to hold on to them for their value. I want them, not for myself, but for either of my sons, when it comes time for them to marry. It appears that the only way I can get my things is going to be via a court order. I think the only thing I can hope for is that we can make her pay for my attorneys fees and all pertaining court costs.
 
#13 ·
I just learned from my oldest college-age son that my STBXW has tentatively set up an appointment to have lunch sometime this afternoon with him at a local restaurant, telling him that she'll likely have her mother coming with her. I'm thinking that if her mom is in tow, the meeting should remain fairly civil. Heretofore, she has supposedly never uttered a syllable regarding the divorce petition to either of my sons. While giving them as much disclosure as I possibly can, I have implored my sons, if ever querried about that divorce subject matter, especially by her, to just "play dumb" and pretty much convey to her that "Dad doesn't really talk about it and we know nothing," or quite simply "we really don't want to talk about it."
 
#14 ·
Had meeting with attorney today and we got the ball rolling on accepting service of my STBXW's divorce petition. I guess that it's now just a matter of time before her attorney will see the answer that we filed. Maybe I can start getting a little more sleep at night now!
 
#16 ·
Dude,

Texas is a community property state and you may be entitled to spousal support on an interim basis, depending on what was in the pre-nup. Why do you care about whether she is seeing someone now or not. It has been months and she is moving on. You need to too. Sorry you are here.Don't delay the inevitable. Get a divorce. seek a fair distribution of assets and move on
 
#17 · (Edited)
Yesterday morning, my STBXW broke the nine month "cone of silence" and called me, jumping my case about some money movements I made within my bank account. I told her to back the truck up a second as I explained the situation. She then, if you can believe this, asked why it was that I had stayed silent over this span of time and not offered any kind of substantive plan of attack with her for reconciliation. My response was that since I was put out on the side of the road like some kind of a stray dog, I didn't feel that one was in order, and if I did it would do me absolutely no good. She then started in on me as to why I had retained legal counsel, since she had filed the original petition for divorce, and that she and her attorney was going "to give me a more than equitable settlement." My stock answer was that I needed legal representation as well and wanted someone there to look out for my interests.

I applauded her for taking the initiative to pick up the phone to call me after all these months telling her that I had started believing that she had emotionally detached herself from me and had found someone else more suitable to her liking. Her response was that the only person that had courted her was "misery," and I jokingly told her that I think that same person had been to my house a few times too.

I told her that since she exercised the initiative to finally make contact with me, I would extend the olive branch and wanted her to make a plan to go back into IC then MC with me, with each of us drawing up a list of expectations of the other and then attempting to iron things out before the counselor. Told her that I still loved her, but didn't like what she had done. She said that in her heart, she felt like maybe "we really loved each other, but didn't need to be married to each other," but that she would have to "consider it," saying that she would get around to giving me an answer later.

I followed that up with a very long letter to her last night accepting the blame for some of her troubles but also reitterated my verbal stance from the earlier telephone conversation. She, as of this moment, still has not replied to the letter or has called me back. My attorney said that she would temporarily suspend activity on the filing other than making an answer to the STBXW's original petition.

I'm still somewhat leary of holding out a lot of hope, in that statistically, the longer a separation goes on, the more diminished the chances are for any genuine reconciliation.

To that end, should I just set a definitive timeframe on the receipt of an answer from her on my verbal proposal, and then go "full steam ahead?". Or do you really think that she might be just buying time for some unknown reason and just playing me along?
 
#18 ·
I told her that since she exercised the initiative to finally make contact with me, I would extend the olive branch and wanted her to make a plan to go back into IC then MC with me, with each of us drawing up a list of expectations of the other and then attempting to iron things out before the counselor. Told her that I still loved her, but didn't like what she had done. She said that in her heart, she felt like maybe "we really loved each other, but didn't need to be married to each other," but that she would have to "consider it," saying that she would get around to giving me an answer later.

I followed that up with a very long letter to her last night accepting the blame for some of her troubles but also reitterated my verbal stance from the earlier telephone conversation. She, as of this moment, still has not replied to the letter or has called me back. My attorney said that she would temporarily suspend activity on the filing other than making an answer to the STBXW's original petition.

I'm still somewhat leary of holding out a lot of hope, in that statistically, the longer a separation goes on, the more diminished the chances are for any genuine reconciliation.

To that end, should I just set a definitive timeframe on the receipt of an answer from her on my verbal proposal, and then go "full steam ahead?". Or do you really think that she might be just buying time for some unknown reason and just playing me along?

Hoping for you too!

Are you in IC?

I personally have set personal deadlines just for me to re-evaluate the situation. Giving her a verbal deadline may not be the best idea yet, if she is considering it.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Having extended the olive branch to her in making a proposition trying to get her to agree to start joint verbal dialogue before our IC/MC; and after she stated verbally that she would "consider it," less than 18 hours later, I received an email from my STBXW, stating that reconciliation was not even a remote possibility along with a copy of the proposed final decree of divorce attached that her attorney had drawn up for her. She also proposed letting me off of the hook by paying her only 60K of the allegedly owed 250K(by her own figures) that could be paid to her in monthly increments with 6% interest.

Quite frankly, by summer, I could well be very close to being financially insolvent. Is being poor any kind of a defense to being raked over the coals of a pre-nup? She seems rather antzy in wanting to get this done ASAP. Some third party friends/acquaintances thought that she had reeked financial havoc on her first husband that she divorced as he was quite wealthy. Now that she married what amounts to be a poor man by comparison in me, it would appear that she's using the prenup as the same modus operandi.

I've always heard of "black widows" before, but could there really be another variety of arachnid aptly called a "green widow?"
 
#23 ·
Spring Break: Got both boys home and everything was very pleasant until oldest one got back from a side trip to see the STBXW. He had actually taken his little brother to visit a college in a nearby county, then the side trip to STBXW's home; and he came home somewhat moody, mildly blaming me for everything. We got into a mild argument and out of anger, I told him that he appeared to be taking sides with his step-mom. His response was something to the effect of "well, that's better than taking sides with some of the locals opposed to her!" I also discovered that she had sent him home with one of my mantle clocks.

It's beyond heart-breaking to have my own son now seemingly turning against me and giving me the silent treatment.

And to add insult to injury, earlier this AM, I was astonished to discover that STBXW, who is supposedly financially well-heeled, took the liberty of moving/transferring some $1,500.00 out of my bank account(accounts tied together) and into hers. It's really starting out as being the beginning of a terrible day!
 
#24 ·
Arbitrator,

Your wayward wife is pretty evil. It is like she is charging you for the marriage.

Have an attorney respond with a similar invoice for $500,000.00.

It should be for abandonment and and a few other charges you can think of like mental anguish.

Be creative.

Do not settle for being broke even with a prenup.

What a *****. She cheats, calls you to ***** at you after ignoring for 9 months and then gets your boy upset.

Fight, fight, fight and then divorce the evil one!!

Good Luck Buddy,

HM64
 
#25 ·
Thanks, HM64! Your advice is much like that of a friend of mine who is a retired prosecutor from South Texas. He thought that there was a tad too much co-mingling of the assets to satisfy the pre-nup laws here in Texas. To that end, he recommended telling her attorney to let each of us go our separate ways with what we have; or that we were, in effect, going to attempt to legally "bust" the pre-nup, which could take some 18-24 months to do with all the discovery motions of her overt as well as covert assets(data that she, no doubt, would prefer that no one would get the opportunity to see), thereby staving off any final decree of divorce for the forseeable future. The divorce was filed in a small rural county where just about everybody knows everybody and it could get to be locally "newsworthy", at least by the local media. His thought process was that STBXW would definitely not want to go that route as she greatly values her freedom and privacy, for whatever reason, and wants it given back to her post haste.

It good to see that great minds think alike! Thanks for all of your support!
 
#27 · (Edited)
STBXW asked that I vacate the account ASAP and open my own. Same advice from my attorney when we saw that STBXW could move money freely from one account to another. Long story short, STBXW insisted on having my bank account, my son's, and her kids accounts all umbrellaed under hers so that she could freely transfer money to any of those accounts as she saw fit. Which was not a problem until quite recently when she moved better than $1,500.00 from mine and into hers. So now, upon the advice of counsel, I'm keeping that account intentionally low until my next retirement disbursement comes and then I'll open up my own account.

I thought that just changing my password on my account would prevent her from nosing around or even being able to make transactions from my account, but I was greatly mistakened. So I'll be leaving that account with probably $0.01 left as its balance when I vacate it.

She still is the executor of my 401k provided I die anytime soon and I can't change that until such time that the gavel actually falls, declaring us legally divorced. It's either that, or she would have to willingly waive her right to do that. But in any event, her executor status gives her absolutely no access nor right to those funds usage much less their disclosure unless, God forbid, that I kick the bucket. Ultimately, I would like to have my oldest son placed into that executor's position.
 
#28 ·
Got an email from my attorneys office with an attachment from my STBXW's attorney with some 25 pages of discovery documents, all of it dealing with my financial info. About the only thing I can give them is my drivers license, passport, and some of my 401k info. Any other info. is sitting right there in STBXW's house, under her nose that I can't get access to. The rest of it is totally non-existant.

Guess I can answer those questions with, "just have the wife look up in the attic or somewhere in her files" or "I'll be more than happy to oblige; just allow me a week to come over there and do an unsupervised and unassisted search!"
 
#29 · (Edited)
Update: Had to travel to old hometown earlier today for a Church related function with two good friends from my local church. Spent the afternoon at a convocation there, having dinner at a local eatery there. Following dinner, we toured the town passing by the big home that STBXW and I lived in(she's still there) and it pretty much broke my heart. Not exactly from missing her, though. Saw STBXW's vehicle parked in the driveway along with another unidentified vehicle parked streetside.

The grass had been allowed to grow up in excess of 18 inches tall. I mean the place looked like it was being readied for Halloween. I know she has a riding tractor mower as well as a self-propelled mower to do the upkeep with, and it just literally rips my heart out to see the place in that obvious state of dishevelment. I don't know if she has let it get in that shape due to depression or what, but I understand that she still stays gone from home a great deal. So I really don't know what the problem might be.

I'll be keeping myself rather busy in attempting to get my answers ready and completed for her set of interrogatories and document production by tomorrow. Please continue to keep us in your prayers!
 
#30 ·
STBXW called college aged son(mine from previous marriage) yesterday requesting yet another lunch date to discuss his college tuition that she is willingly fronting, as well as his personal income taxes. My son met with her and came back home, but seemed to be intentionally vague when I queried him about their lunchtime discussion.

As his father, should I just let sleeping dogs lie, or do I have any kind of right to know what is actually being discussed between the two of them, in light of the somewhat contentious nature of our divorce proceedings?
 
#32 ·
Conrad: "Vague" in that my son doesn't really want to disclose any of the details of their conversation, kind of like he's sworn to secrecy. To my questions of what was said, he simply replies, "Dad, don't worry about it."

I really don't think that she's bleeding any of the details of the divorce proceedings to him, but I know that as an alumnus of the university that my son goes to, STBXW feels a certain commitment to help him out financially and otherwise. And as a part of that loyalty on her part, I really don't know if she is demanding his silence to me on those details between she and him. And there's also the distinct possibility that she may well be pumping him for information on my legal activities regarding those same divorce proceedings.

Or should I even be concerned at all on what conversations that they choose to enter into?
 
#37 ·
I honestly wish you the best with what you are going through. I can't imagine how tough it is to go through divorce but I think all will work out for you. Things do happen for a reason. :) It is just a new beginning for you.
 
#39 ·
Keep your head up Arb., You know HE doesn't give us more than we can bear. By that same token, HE help those that help themselves. Tax reasons are what she see helping your sons, not much she spends on her own kids can be deducted, this woman is all about the dollar. Her blood runs green and botom lines She may even be telling your son that you cheated on her with the friend that she moved in. He may see you moving out and not causing a ruckus as it being true. He know nothing of the woman you now know to be a cold balance sheet.
 
#40 · (Edited)
Thanks, Wolf! Don't think my oldest son would quite fall for that one as this girl is roughly his age; in fact, they actually attended JUCO at the same school, his first semester there. I wouldn't hardly give this girl the time of day as she was brought in to specifically train horses out at the farm. But my main concern is what STBXW might be specifically telling her extended family members about me, since I've had absolutely no contact from any of them other than a mailed "thank-you" card from my MIL. Now STBXW still sees both boys and interacts with them on FB. In fact, the youngest is now at her house as he was trying out for a part in their local community theatre there in our old hometown.

The boys are reticent to do or say anything adverse due to the possibility she might cut them off monetarily. But college wise, the younger one has earned him an academic scholarship and shouldn't need any help from her.

Now me? Well, let's just say that she would gladly love to see me placed on the welfare rolls! But my attorney is considering going after the prenup and having it declared "unconsciable." And if successful, it would then turn most everything into a community property situation, and might make negotiation a far more attractive and viable option for her.
 
#41 ·
Now me? Well, let's just say that she would gladly love to see me placed on the welfare rolls! But my attorney is considering going after the prenup and having it declared "unconsciable." And if successful, it would then turn most everything into a community property situation, and might make negotiation a far more attractive and viable option for her.
Go for it Arb. I luv to see prenup's turned upside down on a person like your stbxw!!!

HM64
 
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