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My thoughts on Athol's works aren't as heated as some here, mainly because I do believe there are kernels of truth here and there.

Just to add to the discussion, there is also the RedpillWomens and the MarriedRedPill "movements," each with a different take and application of red pill theory. Read the sidebars for more info.

http://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen
http://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill

/opens can of worms and runs
 
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My thoughts on Athol's works aren't as heated as some here, mainly because I do believe there are kernels of truth here and there.

Just to add to the discussion, there is also the RedpillWomens and the MarriedRedPill "movements," each with a different take and application of red pill theory. Read the sidebars for more info.

Red Pill Women
Married Red Pill: Sexual strategy for men in marriage or long term relationships

/opens can of worms and runs

yeah, I agree. I'm not going to forget my husband's "special friendship" with a woman who was an absolute b!tch.
I had to get involved to get him to get rid of her.

there is something here to learn.
 
Liking sex, wanting sex as much as men to, etc to me is a lot different than needing to be watched 24/7 because I might sneak out while my man is on the toilet to go cheat, or needing to be filled up with sperm daily just so I don't get some on my way home.
Filled with sperm or not, I think these women are vulnerable for a KISA to come swoop them off their feet if they are shown even a little compassion and caring. So from a basic stop cheating POV, it fails.

ETA- A strong, confident man doesn't need to use these games. All this would do is make a man look weaker to me so from a basic "be a man" POV is fails there too.

I much prefer books that focus on meeting each other's emotional needs and building a happy and loving relationship. Still nothing will work 100% of the time and you have to pick and change to suit your situation best but any time you have the choice to build a loving relationship or using manipulation and fear to keep her stuck with you... I think it's obvious which is better.

It scares me that so many men have fallen for this kind of BS but I agree that it would only work on a woman who had low self-esteem and/or weren't able to immediatly leave the relationship because of money or kids.


There's a review on Amazon from one of his other books that I think is really good


The only good part of the book is the free "Look Inside" from Amazon. (Yeah, that part IS good!)

The book isn't even really a book- it's a self-published collection of blogs written by a self-described sex-addict with ADHD (unmedicated).

It's like reading the story of a drug addict telling you how to get high. The guy has two daughters so you feel bad for them to have to live in that household. And you feel bad for his wife. Example: He threatened to cheat on his wife if she didn't do more for him (she was already having sex with him daily and trying to please him in general). He admits she was being more than fair in the relationship but that he used the cheating threat as "leverage" for what he wanted from her. Instead of divorcing him however, she agreed to let go of her few remaining boundaries (undisclosed), even allowing him to rape her- he calls her his personal f (a word amazon won't let me use) toy.

Here's a quote from the book: "About a year ago I tried another experiment. I decided to not just have rough sex with her, but to do it as hard as I could...without regard for her enjoyment or caring about her at all. I mean really, really rag doll f her like she was rented." (pg. 226, the left-out word is intentional for Amazon purposes)

The book was truly nauseating, so much so that it still bugs me days later.

Anyhow, is that the kind of tip you really want to PAY for? Is that the kind of thing you really think will improve your marriage? (According to the FEMALE reviewers of Mr. Kay's books, his tips almost led their marriages to divorce.)

Mr. Kay claims your wife wants you to be an a hole. He says that raping his wife keeps her from cheating on him. HUH? How does THAT work? Any HEALTHY, self-respecting woman would simply leave Kay. Unfortunately, "like attracts like" and Kay's wife isn't healthy (more on that below).

Yeah, women like strong, confident men! Women like when men have their act together and have goals and focus in life, when they don't let themselves get steamrolled by life or the relationship, and when they can be dominatingly playful (a single smack on the rear, a confident kiss...) Heck, who DOESN'T like a self-respecting mate? (Ever date a girl who lets you treat her like a doormat? Did you lose respect for her? She was probably a nice girl so it's kinda sad, right? But it's just a universal truth- if you don't respect yourself no one else is going to respect you, either.)

Plus, women are drawn to testosterone. Women want to feel that they are with a man who is strong enough to protect them in the wilderness. It's true that a little power play now and again can attract a woman to her man. But there's a big difference between attracting your wife with some playful dominance and abusing her because of your selfish (or mentally ill) obsessiveness.

Kay hasn't figured out the difference. He has the whole issue confused in his book because he is both psychiatrically and psychologically unwell and, like most addicts, would rather maintain his addiction than face it . He's the user, his wife is the co-dependent. If she wasn't a conservative Christian with two children in the house, NO sexual experience aside from her "husband", (and most likely a background of childhood abuse/neglect/family addiction/etc.), she probably would have left him long ago. She still might leave him one day once she realizes that she has the right to be treated like a human being- and no one will be surprised, not even him. As Mr. Kay says of his relationship with his wife in the book's conclusion, "They have a carefully balanced relationship where Athol dreams up all kinds of weird stuff, and Jennifer doesn't leave him." (pg. 272) Not yet anyhow.
 
Suggesting that a woman likes sex the roughest during ovulation is just totally irresponsible...since some women never like rough sex and others like it rough all the time.
Also irresponsible is the idea that it is during ovulation that women will orgasm.

No, it's during *good* sex that women will orgasm.
 
Importantly because the lover is not likely to have many attempts at sex with the wife, his ejaculation will be extremely large and flood her vagina. The husband is at a decided disadvantage.
There is an interesting contradiction here as well. Elsewhere, it is said that women will only sleep with 20% of men, and that "alphas" get all the action. Yet this alpha that the wife is supposedly cheating with doesn't have enough access to sex to deplete his sperm? He's somehow saving it for this wife?

The logic is so skewed. On one hand women will only sleep with 20% and will deprive their beta husbands. But somehow the alpha also has so much sperm because of less opportunity, while the husband has all the access. :scratchhead:

Makes no sense at all.
 
Not all women fit the mmslp

but a fair bit do!

to paint with a broad brush either way is wrong. got to look at the individual situation and determine if your with a woman who falls into the category of being a cheater or not. there are tell tail signs for both genders.

eyes wide open!
 
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And on my thread.. >> http://talkaboutmarriage.com/genera.../262786-sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare-whats-your-take-your-experience.html

you were all trying to convince ME just HOW non-monogamous WOMEN REALLY ARE.. just seems to me Athol is agreeing with you all.. it's something to be aware of.. Taken from the link you provided FW >> " Women want sex just as much as men do, and this drive is "not, for the most part, sparked or sustained by emotional intimacy and safety." When it comes to the craving for sexual variety, the research Bergner assembles suggests that women may be "even less well-suited for monogamy than men."
Comparing non-monogamy to infidelity is like comparing apples to oranges. Non-monogamy is a relationship designation: forming relationship/love bonds with more than one person. Infidelity involves lies, deceit, and treachery, all of which are wrong and hurtful to others. There can be infidelity in a non-monogamous relationship but choosing to enter into a non-monogamous relationship does not make it cheating.

What Athol is implying in his book is that ALL women are natural born cheaters.... not non-monogamous. He states clearly in his book that we're born with a biologically programmed need to cheat in order to obtain the best Alpha genes for our babies. Meanwhile, he also claims that we are born with an instinctual-like need to find a Beta male we can cuckold into raising our alpha babies. It's the equivalent of me saying that ALL men are natural born cheaters because they have a biological need to "spread his seed'. This is INSANE logic. We are much more evolved than our caveman predecessors.
 
Also from the book....in a section in which MMSL explains what sperm warfare is...I picked up in the middle of it though:

On a biological level, the Male Body Agenda assumes that the female he is having sex with will be unfaithful. By constantly seeking to top off a female’s reproductive tract with sperm, he assures himself a standing army inside her ready to repel another male’s sperm if she cheats on him. A wife can avoid having a standing army of her husband’s sperm inside her by simply denying him sex. A couple can have fairly frequent sex, but if she avoids sex with him, or just gives him handjobs or blowjobs in the three or four days before she ovulates, the husband is rendered defenseless from a sperm warfare perspective if she meets a lover for sex. There’s no standing army of the husband’s sperm to fight off the lover’s sperm.


Importantly because the lover is not likely to have many attempts at sex with the wife, his ejaculation will be extremely large and flood her vagina. The husband is at a decided disadvantage.

It’s important to wave the flag again that this sort of planned deceit on the wife’s part can happen completely unconsciously; the Rationalization Hamster can likely supply several excellent reasons as to why she avoided her husband’s semen in her vagina for a few days before she ovulated. Plus obviously the hook-up with the lover was just an appalling lapse of character. She’s not that kind of girl. In fact she’s just realized from that hook-up how very empty sex without love can be and she now knows that deep down she really loves her husband and wants to make it work with him. So perhaps some good came of the whole thing. The Rationalization Hamster is holding off on telling her she’s pregnant for a bit…missed periods sometimes just happen you know. (See how the Rationalization Hamster works?)

Sperm warfare also explains why if a husband is denied regular sex with his wife, he typically becomes fixated on the lack of sex with her to the exclusion of every other issue in the relationship. After five days of no vaginal sex, all his sperm inside her are either dead or have dripped out of her. In a “get her pregnant” sense it’s like he’s never had sex with her. He wants her topped off; instead she’s completely empty of his sperm. She is therefore providing him with a very strong expression of disinterest in him. She may say that she loves him, but he will typically experience her actions as a deeply concerning rejection.

As a variant on this, if a wife has sex with a lover, she will often return to her husband and immediately seek sex from him as well. The husband may be quite surprised by her initiation of sex and her highly sexual intensity. What is happening is her Body Agenda is seeking to actively play the sperm armies against each other in a survival of the fittest game to find the winning sperm. If the husband is unaware of the lover, he likely just experiences this as a wonderfully intense sex experience that likely extends over several sessions. For those involved in the Hotwife or Cuckolding lifestyles, this return of the wife after being with a lover for immediate sex with the husband is a point of purposeful enjoyment.

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I don't have any problem with the concept of sperm warfare, but again, why is everything through a hateful lens here? On the one hand he says it is subconscious processes at work, and on the other hand he is constantly point out what wh*res women are and how every single one of us is cheating.

This is a book meant to develop a good relationship with your wife? I have heard many times that this book is good for guys who have been cheated on because it stirs up their sense of fighting for their marriage. But dang....c'mon if we're all just going to be hateful toward each other, let's just give up. :(
Isn't that very similar to the tripe fed to women...stomach full, balls empty...else every husband will cheat?
 
Also from the book....in a section in which MMSL explains what sperm warfare is...I picked up in the middle of it though:

On a biological level, the Male Body Agenda assumes that the female he is having sex with will be unfaithful. By constantly seeking to top off a female’s reproductive tract with sperm, he assures himself a standing army inside her ready to repel another male’s sperm if she cheats on him. A wife can avoid having a standing army of her husband’s sperm inside her by simply denying him sex. A couple can have fairly frequent sex, but if she avoids sex with him, or just gives him handjobs or blowjobs in the three or four days before she ovulates, the husband is rendered defenseless from a sperm warfare perspective if she meets a lover for sex. There’s no standing army of the husband’s sperm to fight off the lover’s sperm.
Such a nice bed time story.:lol: That awful nefarious slvt/*****!


Importantly because the lover is not likely to have many attempts at sex with the wife, his ejaculation will be extremely large and flood her vagina. The husband is at a decided disadvantage.
Is there ANY kind of research to back this up? Is he really asserting the volume and motility of the OM's sperm is greater because biologically his balls know they've only go this one chance of knocking her up?

...beuler...beuler....anyone?

It’s important to wave the flag again that this sort of planned deceit on the wife’s part can happen completely unconsciously; the Rationalization Hamster can likely supply several excellent reasons as to why she avoided her husband’s semen in her vagina for a few days before she ovulated. Plus obviously the hook-up with the lover was just an appalling lapse of character. She’s not that kind of girl. In fact she’s just realized from that hook-up how very empty sex without love can be and she now knows that deep down she really loves her husband and wants to make it work with him. So perhaps some good came of the whole thing. The Rationalization Hamster is holding off on telling her she’s pregnant for a bit…missed periods sometimes just happen you know. (See how the Rationalization Hamster works?)
Who believes this sh!t?

Sperm warfare also explains why if a husband is denied regular sex with his wife, he typically becomes fixated on the lack of sex with her to the exclusion of every other issue in the relationship. After five days of no vaginal sex, all his sperm inside her are either dead or have dripped out of her. In a “get her pregnant” sense it’s like he’s never had sex with her. He wants her topped off; instead she’s completely empty of his sperm. She is therefore providing him with a very strong expression of disinterest in him. She may say that she loves him, but he will typically experience her actions as a deeply concerning rejection.
Bolded: I thought that was just your typical clueless man response to being denied sex.

Actually, semen remains in the vagina and cervix for up to two weeks, not 5 days.

This guy is totally pulling sh!t out of his ass and calling it social research.

As a variant on this, if a wife has sex with a lover, she will often return to her husband and immediately seek sex from him as well. The husband may be quite surprised by her initiation of sex and her highly sexual intensity. What is happening is her Body Agenda is seeking to actively play the sperm armies against each other in a survival of the fittest game to find the winning sperm. If the husband is unaware of the lover, he likely just experiences this as a wonderfully intense sex experience that likely extends over several sessions. For those involved in the Hotwife or Cuckolding lifestyles, this return of the wife after being with a lover for immediate sex with the husband is a point of purposeful enjoyment.

(end quote)

I don't have any problem with the concept of sperm warfare, but again, why is everything through a hateful lens here? On the one hand he says it is subconscious processes at work, and on the other hand he is constantly point out what wh*res women are and how every single one of us is cheating.

This is a book meant to develop a good relationship with your wife? I have heard many times that this book is good for guys who have been cheated on because it stirs up their sense of fighting for their marriage. But dang....c'mon if we're all just going to be hateful toward each other, let's just give up. :(

I had never heard the term "Rationalization Hamster" before coming to TAM. It reminds me of time when religion ascribed all sort of events to satan because they didn't have the ability to understand scientific truths. I think men who believe or buy into this rationalization hamster are just as ignorant as the ignorant clergy who call out satan for things they don't, or don't wish to understand.
 
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My thoughts on Athol's works aren't as heated as some here, mainly because I do believe there are kernels of truth here and there.

Just to add to the discussion, there is also the RedpillWomens and the MarriedRedPill "movements," each with a different take and application of red pill theory. Read the sidebars for more info.

Red Pill Women
Married Red Pill: Sexual strategy for men in marriage or long term relationships

/opens can of worms and runs
Clarification......:iagree: that there are other more dangerous sites and Red Pill pushers out there doing way more damage than Kay.

There is some seriously F**ked up crap out there messing with men's head. The Red Pill Manosphere is made up of a bunch of blog sites and philosophy 'manifestos' spewing hate language against women.

The link below is an Business Insider article I found that does a great job of neutrally discussing the Red Pill.

What Is The Red Pill? - Business Insider

One of the individuals interviewed was the author for "Man 2.0: Becoming The Alpha" and this is what he said about it.

"My definition of an alpha is someone who wants to become the best version of themselves so that they can best serve the world. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with motivating guys to become better men, but The Red Pill seems to be doing so in an aggressive and adversarial sort of way. From an outside perspective, it seems like they're a bit too vocal about categorizing themselves as alphas and others as betas ... there doesn't seem to be an attitude of wanting to bring other people into the fold. It seems divisive rather than inclusive."

Romaniello referenced a post he saw where a Red Piller wrote something to the effect of "if you focus on self-improvement, you'll attract a higher-quality woman."

"There's nothing controversial to this statement," he said. "And, speaking personally, I agree with it. I think there are many Red Pill members who see it that way. But there are a lot of voices decrying this sentiment in favor of an attitude of ... degradation, I guess. It seems like The Red Pill is generally taking the idea of alpha from the pickup artist perspective and running in an extreme direction with it. Like any group or belief system, there's a lot of value to be found with the reasonable stuff. But also like any other group, The Red Pill has some extremists who are fervent in their beliefs and incredibly vocal. Oh, and bat**** crazy. I think that's likely the reason The Red Pill has gotten the reputation of being misogynistic. "​
This is an astounding opinion from a man who endorses the 'man-up' lifestyle.

Sites like Red Pill Reddit and the Rational Male attract largely emotionally hurt and very, VERY angry men to there fanatical way of thinking. It's this philosophy that is dangerous, end of story.
 
:iagree:

There is some seriously F**ked up crap out there messing with men's head. The Red Pill Manosphere is made up of a bunch of blog sites and philosophy 'manifestos' spewing hate language against women.

The link below is an Business Insider article I found that does a great job of neutrally discussing the Red Pill.

What Is The Red Pill? - Business Insider

One of the individuals interviewed was the author for "Man 2.0: Becoming The Alpha" and this is what he said about it.



This is an astounding opinion from a man who endorses the 'man-up' lifestyle.

Sites like Red Pill Reddit and the Rational Male attract largely emotionally hurt and very, VERY angry men to there fanatical way of thinking. It's this philosophy that is dangerous, end of story.
The only good thing I can say about Mr. Fill-her-holes-before-someone-else-does is that he made a product that causes interest and makes emotions run high. Everyone gets curious and reads his stuff. He makes money off of the crowd either way. His word is spread; his book is bought.

Capitalism at its finest.

(Note to self: Write a crazy book. Make money. Move to Bora-Bora: never watch TV again.)
 
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and I know you disagree with the leadership talk, FW, but I believe that men have a HUGE amount of untapped power to influence their M for better which is sort of the message here:
The Eternal Captain Rule | Athol Kay's Married Man Sex Life
I dunno, Blonde. I read something like this:

I’m not saying that all women are jaded, gold-digging *****s waiting for the first moment of weakness to jump ship to a larger ****… it’s not THAT bad (he said softly massaging his right temple for effect, thinking that the tiger metaphor was perhaps poorly chosen)… but every woman expects you can hold your **** together and be a productive spouse on a routine basis.

The old line is that “women don’t want to win, they want a winner.”
And it basically sounds like women don't bring anything to a relationship, that it's all about riding on the guys coat-tails and then ditching him if they find a better deal.

I mean, sure, most women do want a guy who is mature, responsible, basically has his sh1t together. But most women also bring a great deal to a relationship, and are perfectly willing and able to step up when the going gets tough. Often moreso.

This "women are hypergamous" line basically encourages men to ignore the influence of their wives, and basically devalue her contributions and responsibilities. Which I think is a huge mistake.
 
Personally, I like that he speaks out against porn use:
High Fructose Porn Syrup | Athol Kay's Married Man Sex Life

and I know you disagree with the leadership talk, FW, but I believe that men have a HUGE amount of untapped power to influence their M for better which is sort of the message here:
The Eternal Captain Rule | Athol Kay's Married Man Sex Life

That said, I would never in a million years have suggested my STBXH look at MMSL because he already has the alpha a$$ tendencies in spades. The last thing he needs is to read a self proclaimed "authority" promoting and endorsing a$$hat behavior (like your quotes). OTH my now 28yos hung out there for awhile and I notice improvement in him being appropriately assertive instead of PA with his W.

The quotes you posted are massively disrespectful and the baked goods trick is manipulative and cruel. Aimed to make a W feel insecure. Wonder how H's would feel if their W's brought home flowers, chocolate, and perfume from work and pretended to be all innocent and offended that she would think anything?

My STBXH has a history of flirting in front of me and I really assume he is clueless. Not manipulative. Really genuinely clueless of how disrespectful that is and how it undermines trust.
And you see MY HUSBAND would be the complete opposite of YOURS Blonde, he'd NEVER FLIRT with another woman.. He didn't even flirt much with me !....... though this is partly MY FAULT for telling him when we met that most men seemed A-holes to me because -they threw all these flirting lines out and it as all
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....(I couldn't stand men that acted like they wanted you, then moved on to another so carefree flirting with another).....so in the name of respect.. he limited his flirting to me.. Goodness. I shot myself in the foot saying those things!

He has devoted himself to me so completely that I KNEW since we met I had him wrapped around my finger.. he would admit to this also.. so a man LIKE MINE would not at all been hurt by reading this book.. doing some of those things would have surely CAUGHT MY ATTENTION and put my radar up.....

The truth is.... I never felt a pang of jealousy.. always felt secure in his love...till we went to a Strip club (yes I know this makes me look bad).. but it was about time! .. I even liked that feeling.. it made me want to claim him more for my own...feeling those feelings wash over me... he has felt that about ME.. but I never felt that about him.. so yeah..

This book would NOT have hurt my husband in the least.. that's how I feel.. so it depends on the man.. My husband has also told me he always felt he loved me MORE.. this is not true, but the sex rank thing... I don't think he has ever felt equal.. It's true, I very much "dig" humble men.. well I married one of the humblest around.
 
Here is one that just creeps me out...

(8.8) Isolation – Leverage Her Isolation Anxiety with Surprise

Moving to a second location works to make alone time more exciting to her, but that can be made even more exciting by adding the element of surprise and triggering momentary Isolation Anxiety. You might have gone somewhere together to do something, but the surprise little side trip on the way back, where you just turn the wheel of the car and take her somewhere, is exciting. It works because it’s like a playful and safe version of her getting carjacked and taken somewhere against her will. *

Even though your wife is with you and trusts you, she will experience a few seconds of Isolation Anxiety as you start taking her somewhere unexpected without asking. This triggers her Body Agenda to make an instant decision about either risking a physical fight with you that is likely hopeless or submitting to your intentions without resistance. Usually her Body Agenda takes the safe option and votes for submission, which frames you as dominant. Having created a dominant moment, that sparks a dopamine reaction in her and she will feel greater attraction to you and a little flush of excitement. *

If you went to the mall to do Christmas shopping together, it’s the unannounced detour on the way back to the secret pastry and coffee shop that engages her with you. Of course she’ll just think it’s romantic, exciting and non-boring, but that’s just the dopamine doing its job. *

Another way of doing this is starting at home and simply telling her to get in the car with you in ten minutes. Then just drive her to dinner out somewhere random. Don’t tell her where you are driving to; just arrive. She might complain loudly the first couple of times, but that just means she’s emotionally engaged with you.

Kay, Athol (2011-04-09). The Married Man Sex Life Primer 2011 (p. 107).
This one totally turns me on but I think the term "Isolation Anxiety" is waaaaay off base and completely misses the connection between low levels of anxiety and high levels of excitement.

For instance in gymnastics and related sports, the athlete feels quite a bit of anxiety doing a trick but the anxiety is felt as excitement first, fear second. I remember many times of focused intent to try something new, feeling anxiety and squashing it down, then doing the trick. But afterwards the physical manifestation OS anxiety become quite apparent. Shaking, both internal shakiness and external shaking are common. However it is not felt as a negative but an adrenalin pumping excitement.

This isolation anxiety is a wrong term because it's not ISOLATION but the newness, unexpected, surprise, unique, out of the ordinary, the unpredictable of the situation that would cause the spike in adrenalin and dopamine.

Using the term ISOLATION brings a distinct flavor of predatorish and rapey point of view.
 
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It seems like part of the issue is one of definitions. It reminds me of the debate which used to dominate this board and to some extent still does: regarding "nice guys". There was/is a group, largely men, using the definition found in NMMNG which was largely negative, arguing with another group, largely women, who LIKED nice guys, as per their definition, and were puzzled at what the fuss was all about. I'm not sure to what extent common ground was ever found because there was no agreement on what defined a "nice guy".

I think the same problem exists with this "red pill" business. Just now I came across an interesting post by a woman on another thread:

"No, the Red Pill stuff is not necessarily about manipulating women. That is Game/PUA stuff. Red pill stuff teaches men to be the alpha in the relationship, to not put any woman on a pedestal to the point of accepting her bad treatment, to work on yourself, and to have a backbone. I think his wife is very comfortable. She might not realize what she has until she's lost it."

We can talk about how bad Red Pill stuff is, just as we can argue about the upside and downside of being a Nice Guy, but are we even talking about the same thing? How are we defining Red Pill, and is it even possible to agree on those definitions?

I'm betting not.
 
This book would NOT have hurt my husband in the least.. that's how I feel.. so it depends on the man.. My husband has also told me he always felt he loved me MORE.. this is not true, but the sex rank thing... I don't think he has ever felt equal.. It's true, I very much "dig" humble men.. well I married one of the humblest around.
Thats the thing. The MMSLP message could be a very good empowering message for The Right Man. But for other men, it is like matches to tinder.

A man like my H would be able to read it, take the good and leave the stupid. But a man like Blinde's H... Waaaaay too dangerous. This kind of message would take a selfish stupid man and make him a rapey Neanderthal all the while thinking he was doing it right.
 
Not all women fit the mmslp

but a fair bit do!

to paint with a broad brush either way is wrong. got to look at the individual situation and determine if your with a woman who falls into the category of being a cheater or not. there are tell tail signs for both genders.

eyes wide open!
Let's see... about 10% of men are violent and even criminals. So it' fair to say that a fair bit are. So we can write a book that characterizes all men as violence criminals. Is that how it works?

MMSLP is based on the premise that all women are basically closet slvts and there will cheat if her husband does not keep her full of his sperm and keep a short leash on her.

More men cheat than women do. So I guess all mean are sneaky, lying cheaters. Makes sense, no?

If making broad sweeps are ok in MMSLP then I guess they are ok everywhere.
 
Thats the thing. The MMSLP message could be a very good empowering message for The Right Man. But for other men, it is like matches to tinder.

A man like my H would be able to read it, take the good and leave the stupid. But a man like Blinde's H... Waaaaay too dangerous. This kind of message would take a selfish stupid man and make him a rapey Neanderthal all the while thinking he was doing it right.
I really do not see how putting down women, calling them cheaters, *****s, liars, incapable of knowing what they want, usurious, etc. and so on is ever a "very good empowering message".

I mean, I can see that some men do indeed let women walk all over them, and they should probably stop doing that, if only for their own good. But why they need to put a hate-on for women to get there is beyond me.

Then what? Sure they are "empowered", but they have a hate-on for women that they carry around and spew out at every opportunity. Most unattractive, IMHO.
 
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