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A simple one word answer. No.
We're supposed to want to treat those we love the best. This is not right man. It's been so long, she may not be up for change.

Definitely time for you to put yourself first. That was something I learned the hard way... some people see kindness as weakness and will drain you and still expect more.

How are you doing today?
 
Discussion starter · #142 ·
Blossom Leigh, gotta hand it to you. You're pretty damn sharp! Your observations show more wisdom than you know.
Yes many factors are happening all at once. I.must decide to truly forgive as is, make my peace inside. Accept what is, is. Can't change it. Some of this i set in motion long ago, without malice. As others have said and I also know deep down, i will never know the full truth, whether innocent or not. that is an inmutable fact. I'm really leaning to one thing on some of these things. She just hasn't got sense God gave a Billy goat with social interactions! I said I forgive her, so that is a truth I must reconcile in myself. However many things are dependant on her at least recognizing that the consequences of her actions have caused me deep hurt and pain! As I've told her, all I've wanted it to be loved back as I love.
Now one thing you hit on is out growing her. This starting show. I've never in my life communicated this good. I've worked very hard to do this. Not with just her,but my whole world. I've talked with her about this issue. That I'm evolving, becoming a better version of me I always that I was, but didn't show. As I stated, it's like the dinosaurs, adapt or die. I feel as if I'm leaving her behind in many ways. I do want her with me, by my side, not stumbling blindly somewhere behind me.
 
Discussion starter · #143 ·
We're supposed to want to treat those we love the best. This is not right man. It's been so long, she may not be up for change.

Definitely time for you to put yourself first. That was something I learned the hard way... some people see kindness as weakness and will drain you and still expect more.

How are you doing today?
I'm doing better! Even though nothing is solved, my soul feels lighter and I'm not feeling as anxious about the future. A part of me is starting to feel hopeful?
 
Discussion starter · #144 ·
OK, so peeps, I'm working for the next 2 nights, 12 hour shifts. Please don't think I've abandoned the thread! You guys are my life line right now. I'll answer when and where I can. Be off Friday morning and heading out to visit my nephew for the weekend. Time for some me time!
 
Blossom Leigh, gotta hand it to you. You're pretty damn sharp! Your observations show more wisdom than you know.
Yes many factors are happening all at once. I.must decide to truly forgive as is, make my peace inside. Accept what is, is. Can't change it. Some of this i set in motion long ago, without malice. As others have said and I also know deep down, i will never know the full truth, whether innocent or not. that is an inmutable fact. I'm really leaning to one thing on some of these things. She just hasn't got sense God gave a Billy goat with social interactions! I said I forgive her, so that is a truth I must reconcile in myself. However many things are dependant on her at least recognizing that the consequences of her actions have caused me deep hurt and pain! As I've told her, all I've wanted it to be loved back as I love.
Now one thing you hit on is out growing her. This starting show. I've never in my life communicated this good. I've worked very hard to do this. Not with just her,but my whole world. I've talked with her about this issue. That I'm evolving, becoming a better version of me I always that I was, but didn't show. As I stated, it's like the dinosaurs, adapt or die. I feel as if I'm leaving her behind in many ways. I do want her with me, by my side, not stumbling blindly somewhere behind me.
Thank you deeply for that compliment...

My skill set is hard earned.

I have also lived almost all of what you are experiencing in more ways I can even put into words..
 
Oh.. and one more thing... all the focus on therapy work for your bi-polar didn't leave a lot of room to focus on healing the infidelity... plus of course not having all the details...

So give yourself some grace.. we can only do so much work at a time...
 
His doesn't come across as the long con type. Just more of a lacking empathy. Or sneaky teenager.

I would ask myself though... did she originally have empathy and lost it along the way? And if so, why.... Did I contribute to that dynamic, if so, what? .... and is it recoverable.

These are the questions I would walk through in this next phase of taking space to heal.
To a good woman (which I believe you are) it could sound harsh or ridiculous. I get it. For many years I didn’t want to think the same thing - that there are MANY women out there that intentionally set up the “long con” game.

but it’s true.


As a rule of thumb (not all of course), men want sex. Women want commitment, safety, security and provisions.

as such, men won’t marry a woman they aren’t attracted to. It just doesn’t happen.

MANY women will absolutely marry men they aren’t attracted to…. Or men they “settle” for.

their marriage vows are hollow. They make “rules” for their husband that they would easily break for a man they are attracted to. It is devastating to men.

any wife that has no problem sleeping in bed with her best friend and another man while married while also taking away sex from her husband while enjoying all the safety, security and provisions he is providing is absolutely playing the long con game.

good women do NOT do this to men.
 
@TinyTbone ..... Learn to spank her bratty ass.😈😉
Child.... if you only knew how bad I want to do that to my H. He is a massive brat in a 6'3" tall body pushing 300lbs. But, it is exactly what he needs.
 
To a good woman (which I believe you are) it could sound harsh or ridiculous. I get it. For many years I didn’t want to think the same thing - that there are MANY women out there that intentionally set up the “long con” game.

but it’s true.


As a rule of thumb (not all of course), men want sex. Women want commitment, safety, security and provisions.

as such, men won’t marry a woman they aren’t attracted to. It just doesn’t happen.

MANY women will absolutely marry men they aren’t attracted to…. Or men they “settle” for.

their marriage vows are hollow. They make “rules” for their husband that they would easily break for a man they are attracted to. It is devastating to men.

any wife that has no problem sleeping in bed with her best friend and another man while married while also taking away sex from her husband while enjoying all the safety, security and provisions he is providing is absolutely playing the long con game.

good women do NOT do this to men.
Yea, see.. this is where I don't even comprehend that kind of thinking in a woman.. In the 34 years between my two marriages.. I only told my current H no once only because I was sick with upper respiratory. 1st H was never denied and current H has turned me down more times that I can even count. No, is not in my vocabulary when it comes to my husband. Does not compute. It is unfortunate he doesn't reciprocate the same way he is treated.
 
I'm doing better! Even though nothing is solved, my soul feels lighter and I'm not feeling as anxious about the future. A part of me is starting to feel hopeful?
I'm so glad.

Sometimes it matters more to be heard and receive compassion than it is to have a solution.

Regardless of the outcome, you will be ok. It might suck for a bit. I hope she's willing to meet you halfway and you get the outcome you want. It would be a shame to throw away a life for pride.
 
Mrs. C tried it with me once. I let her.

We both about died laughing.🤣
Yea, mine doesn't react with humor or I would do it. He has rage issues.

It's GOOD yall have the humor for it.

I had to switch to telling him to calm his t!ts... LOL
 
Absolutely…OR spank another woman’s ass in front of her.

when she clutches her pearls, put your hands up and say ,”what?! Seriously… what?! Don’t act like you care NOW when you spend years taking away sex from me.”
Dude.. I am so sorry... I know how rough that is.. living it right now..
 
Absolutely…OR spank another woman’s ass in front of her.

when she clutches her pearls, put your hands up and say ,”what?! Seriously… what?! Don’t act like you care NOW when you spend years taking away sex from me.”
I only give advice I would take myself. I'm mostly good natured in real life but I have lines that don't get crossed.

If I was to the level of getting another mate, I would be past the spankin point and I would have been very clear that the current relationship is at an end.

I am romantic but I carry an "axe".😉
 
Yea, see.. this is where I don't even comprehend that kind of thinking in a woman.. In the 34 years between my two marriages.. I only told my current H no once only because I was sick with upper respiratory. 1st H was never denied and current H has turned me down more times that I can even count. No, is not in my vocabulary when it comes to my husband. Does not compute. It is unfortunate he doesn't reciprocate the same way he is treated.
So here’s the deal…

you are the exception to the rule that absolutely breaks my heart. 😔 it enrages me to see men treat good women this way. If you need any proof, just ask LisaDiane… who also suffered this same fate until we got together.

all I can ever say is this:

I promise you that most men would treat you well. Whether you are attracted to them or not is a different story, but I know in my heart most men would be more than happy to give you everything. I won’t say it is a rare thing for a man to turn down a woman for sex, but it is definitely uncommon.
 
I only give advice I would take myself. I'm mostly good natured in real life but I have lines that don't get crossed.

If I was to the level of getting another mate, I would be past the spankin point and I would have been very clear that the current relationship is at an end.

I am romantic but I carry an "axe".😉
You are not a vengeful spirit.


we differ in that regard. 😁


should be obvious by now that I enjoy going out of my way to stir the pot.
 
@TinyTbone I was thinking back to when you first came to TAM. I remember giving you a really hard time about essentially giving your wife a hall pass. I still think that was a huge mistake on your part, but at the same time I'm not so sure that things would have turned out too much different had you not done that. I'm basing that on all the other selfish and disrespectful incidents that your wife has engaged in over the years, as laid out by you in this thread.

Look at everything she has done

Crushing on another guy (J), letting him in the house one on one, and letting him in after he supposedly touched her inappropriately. Honestly, I find it hard to believe it wasn't much more than she says. This was at least an EA and probably a PA.
Slowly leaking out more and more information about that time when it is advantageous to her, knowing it is causing you pain. Changing stories about what they did and didn't do. Admitted she, her GF and J all slept in the same bed together.
The gaslighting around all that.
Knowing all this and letting you interact with him like a totally oblivious idiot.
Texting multiple men, giving out her number to guys that were essentially strangers. This was an EA.
Texting another man while relaxing in the serene and romantic bath you made happen for her. This was an EA.
She nonchalantly introduced you to a guy that wanted to send her **** picks and asked her for nudes.
Making you out to be the asshole for thinking all this was inappropriate.
Saying she wished she ****ed J.
Wanted you to get a vasectomy because she thought you would cheat and get someone pregnant. That's some serious projection.
More concern over her stuff than her daughter's well being.
Shared those private pics of you with her GF.
Sent unwanted pics of her GF's tits thinking that is somehow funny.
Saying this, " i don't feel i have any responsibility or accountability for any of the issues in our marriage."

I can't believe how much blatant lack of respect for you and the marriage there is in all of this. Selfishness top to bottom. Throw that together with that last comment, where she takes no ownership of any issues in your marriage and it is crystal clear there is nothing you can do to make things better than they are right now. Absolutely nothing. I think you would be wasting your time. I think you would be much better just writing her off, whether it be through an actual divorce, or just simply pretending as best as possible that she doesn't exist. Just do your thing as if she isn't there. Any further attempts at improving things is more hopium on your part.

Its time to put TinyTbone in the top spot. Make yourself the priority. It is time you be a little selfish.
 
Discussion starter · #160 ·
Damn BigDaddyNY! When I read that and you recounted the things I've had to deal with...geeze I feel like it's time I took my own advice to others that been through less! That list is just absolutely hard to read back brother. No apologies needed about when I first came here. I was a mess! Alot of you beat me up and it focused me and calmed me for a bit.
As I write these things...so many things come to mind. Our 38th anniversary i took her on a second honey moon to Boise, Idaho, to the Anniversary Inn. Look it it up...awesome place. Stayed in 4 different amazing and romantic themed rooms over 5 days. It's a.second honey moon right? Not a single loving, passionate kiss, nada. The hits just keep going 😢
 
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