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I am at my wit’s end and need some help to assess what is going on in my marriage and what I should do about it. My wife’s behavior over the past three or four months has been very strange and erratic. She has a stressful professional job and works 10 hours a day, but she is successful at it, and I have seen no signs of any professional trauma. There are also no obvious other bad things happening in her life that I can see – no problems with friends or family.

We have been married for two years. She is 38 and I am 47, first marriage for her and second marriage for me. We don’t have any kids. Fortunately, we don’t have any major financial or health or family issues to deal with.

We used to get along wonderfully. She was so sweet and thoughtful and supportive. I tried to be the same. We were so into each other. We rarely fought, always made up. We had what I thought was a fulfilling sex life.

Move forward a year, and although I don’t think I have changed, she sure has. I don’t recognize her any more: she is moody, not so affectionate, and gets angry at me for no apparent reason at all. For example, last week we were installing two new major appliances at home, the tags for which state should be installed by a professional for reasons of safety and warranty. She wanted to get out the tool box and install them ourselves. I said calmly that we should probably not do it ourselves but press the installer a little harder to come back next week. She blew up, calling me all kinds of names like slow and lazy and she hates people who don’t take initiative. Clearly she has some bigger issue here because I am anything but slow and lazy and lack initiative – but I do prefer to be methodical and do things properly. But this is an example of how I can’t seem to do anything right any more.

She says she can’t talk to me any more. When I say let’s sit down and talk now, or sleep together and talk tomorrow, or go away for the weekend somewhere quiet where we can talk, she dismisses this and tells me I “don’t know how to talk”. She then walks away coldly. I try to tell her that in “talking”, we both need to try to understand the other person’s perspective, whether we agree with it or not. She is always very judgmental of me and my situation. I don’t seem to be able to get a fair hearing.

There has been a double standard going on too for some time: she can come home from work very late without calling, but if I am an hour delayed because of a client call, she gets angry. She talks frequently on the phone during dinner without apology, but if I once a week need to send an urgent e-mail, she gets up from the table in a huff.

I think she is a bit of a control freak. We went away for a weekend to another city and spent much of it with some of her friends there. (They are nice people, so I don’t have any problem with that.) But when I want to have my friends over for dinner, she protests about the inconvenience. It’s like I only get one time a month to socialize. (She is very pleasant and charming when we do, but it sometimes seems like an act rather than a desire.)

Last night, she came home late, walked right by me (when I had my outstretched arms open for hug), took a shower and went to bed. She turned her back to me. I gave her a hug and asked what was wrong and she said “nothing”.

That’s when the light went on in my head. I connected the ugly recent dots. She has been very secretive with her cell phone and computer for the past few months. Two months ago, I observed a few too many calls with a certain male co-worker. When I commented on it, even half-jokingly saying I was a little “jealous”, she warmed up nervously -- and we had great sex that night. I checked the cell phone and there is no record any more of this guy calling, but there are two names of men whose names I hadn’t heard before and who call way too much, and out of business hours. I fear these are fake names for the same guy.

Last week, late in the evening, I came out of the bathroom half-way through my shower because I needed the new shampoo I had purchased. I overheard her on the cell-phone, talking in affectionate, hushed tones to someone. I didn't let on I had heard.

We left for work a little late yesterday in her car, and she had her personal cell phone on hands-free. One of the two "names" called (it was displayed on the dashboard) and she hung up twice, without answering. Minutes later, her business cell phone rang, and she pretended that the male caller was a formal business contact, but the info she gave him and the really quick sign-off suggests anything but. She didn’t say who it was but turned rapidly so sweet and nice to me (like old days), asking if we should “go out for dinner tonight”.

I am not a perfect man, but I have been a good and loving husband, and I deserve better than this. Her family and colleagues seem to like me a lot; I certainly do them. I have tried numerous times to get her to talk about “us” and how we can improve our marriage and communication, but it’s always about her – unless someone is at “fault”, in which case it’s all about me.

I don’t have any hard evidence about an affair, so nothing conclusive to confront her with. But my gut is screaming otherwise.

Even without the affair, this pattern of self-centered and controlling behavior is very distressing.

Anyone have any advice?
 
#74 ·
So... what you're saying is that your wife is cheating because of a psychological issue? I think they're ALL mental when cheating is involved. Her throwing it in your face isn't a psychological thing, it's DISRESPECTFUL.
 
#76 ·
I think that my wife has a big problem with marriage and togetherness because of a serious personality disorder. She might also have added to the mix some of the usual garden-variety motivators of infidelity.

And it is all extremely disrespectful.

I agree with your point that, in the first instance, it doesn't matter why she is cheating, the key fact is that she is doing it.

My point is that, if she has a significant personality disorder, the usual "tough love", stick-and-carrot, approach to marriage reconciliation isn't likely to work.
 
#77 ·
All the more reason to show her the black and white proof of her bad behavior. I understand there maybe other issues (BPD) also at hand, but..........

In my experience I showed my WW the text and pictures that forced the issue. What I mean is something that was so undenialbe and with out any explaination that yes she was in an affair.

I mean going to bed with my W and waking up in the middle of the night to find her gone and then waking up to find her sleeping next to me. Come on, she wakes up likes nothing wrong and when I confront her, its explained away with going to help out a friend.

She found it unnessesary to wake me and tell me..ok fine why didn't she pick up her cell. Well as this happened several times, there always seemed to be a reason and even when she went out and never came home until the morning...again another reason.

Each time asking if there was another man, and of course there was no one else. I believe it was to horrible for her to face.

But when faced with the reality that she is actualy looking at the unhealthy behavior in front of her own eyes...the ughly text, the pictures confirming her unhealthy and dumb choices she is making under the cover of darkness. As this vampire continues to validate her behavior and convince her to continue, my wife only realises the bad behavior and the awful things she writes about when her husband (me) has to shows her the reality, and explain the consequences to her if she continues.

Only then does the reality hit her like a ton of bricks...... " I didnt mean to write that" or "is that realy me". Yes it is her and she is for a fact behaving in an unhealthy way. Now there is no explaining it no excusses, no were to go but to admit she has a "problem".

I met a guy on this site that went for months watching his W unhealthy behavior and with no way to get proof or admission, and her always explaining her way out of it, no matter how rediculice it sounded. He finaly hired a cheap PI, It was quick and the proof was solid and only then did his wife make an admission that there was a "problem".

Granted you have enough to confront and you propably should, but I just have my experience to give as another perspective in confronting the affair.

I'm sure you can confront and it may be as effective as it can be with what you have, put IMO the slap (figuratively) in the face that hopefully shakes them from there fantasy is the ugly and discietful thing WW will have to *look at* when you confront. Something tangelable that actualy shows there bad behavior with out explaination or rationalization for what they are doing.

When I showed my WW the text, the pictures, the amount of text, the journel I kept with her coming and goings, and my sons report card, she just cried.

My confrontation plan worked great, she owns her part in an unhealthy marriage, and with that admission we both can now move on to the next step. Both is the key word here. Now that she (litterally) sees her unhealthy behavior she has made the choice to to change for the better.
 
#79 ·
P-
Yes I aggree and the main thing here is use this form to come up with the best game plan for the situation.

My case is just a case...a perspective that can be added or deleteded according to his confrontation plan.

I'm just the_guy I have nothing to offer but my experience and if it doesn't fit his case then hopefully another person reading his thread will see my experience as helpfull.

My suggestion is only a suggestion, B- will know when and how to confront. I believe we've given him lots of ammo.
 
#81 ·
As far as the BPD I guess I'm missing the difference between her and any other cheaters described on these forums.
I'm of the same mind. Whatever strategy he has in mind makes no difference, in the context of exposing her as a cheater. Strategy comes in the aftermath of exposure-- whether to stay or leave. You need to call her on it already... you're just prolonging it.
 
#82 ·
Is he prolonging it b/c he's affriad, I think not. He's planing and theres nothing wrong with that. He will figure out the most effective why to confront, and if his W chooses to continue the A then he can expose.
Exposing to soon can push her away, confront first and see were she goes from there. She could still deny and any exposeure before confronting will lead to him coming out the jealouse, crazy, bad husband.

Again if he can stand it, waiting and getting solid proof is best to have, IMO
 
#84 ·
The key word here is "as he believes"

I'm still in the group that it follows the affair script and should be dealt with the usual options as most WW.

Again if there are better option in dealing with cheaters with BPD then maybe thats the safest bet? So if Berilo's W has PBD, does this need to be addressed first while she continues the affair?

But again thats just me.... we all know Berilo will have the final say in how he confronts his wife. I just hope he can show her some solide proof that will wake her @ss up. Something she can see and not just be accused of.
 
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Berilo, I have been folliowng your thread for a couple of days here.

In an abstract manner, I wish to tell you what I see going in here.

I see a man who is so anguished and in disbelief of what has happened, he is spending every ounce of resource on any possible reason why this may have happened. All the while, his marriage slips farther and farther into affairland.

So what if you find this magic bullet you seek? It still will not STOP the affair. Until you do that, nothing will change. At this point, the "WHY" doesn't matter, it is the "What" you need to deal with. If that magic bullet comes out during R, then grab it and deal with it head on. However, until you confront and begin creating consequences for her to feel as a result of this, there is no hope of recovery. It is time for a hard bout of self reflection.

DO YOU WANT THIS MARRIAGE OR NOT? If no, then simply cut your losses and move on. The why no longer matters because the what doesn't matter.

If YES, then get busy exposing, confronting and starting the steps outlined by so many before on this thread. Until you make THAT committment, nothing will change, no matter what hypothesis, what ideas, what beliefs or what excuses you come up with.

Q~
 
#88 ·
He has enough evidence already... as Quatto was saying... what magic bullet are you looking for??? You know she's cheating already... do you want to catch them in the act, or something?
 
#89 ·
My thought, well my experience is that when you can *show* them something so unappropriate that there is no way to dismiss it, it has a profound effect on the DS fantasy.
IMO any evidence is more of a statement of fact rather then an acusation.

It was my understanding there was no evidence, did I miss something?
 
#92 ·
No, "were just friends" or "it work related stuff"

My WW had a sh*t load of text it was hard to figure her flavor for the day was. I wanted to make sure there was absolutely no way to explain her way out of it. I used exact names and places that I found doing my investigation. I new more about some of the OM's then she did.

In a way I agree with confronting now, but what he has is speculation and it sucks but the magic bullet sure sweetens (for lack of a better term) the confrontation.
 
#94 ·
^More than enough, if you ask me. I guess he wants "concrete" proof, though. I just don't see the point of having to hide behind corners listening-in on her conversations with OM. I wouldn't be able to put-up with the blatant disrespect... call me crazy.
 
#95 ·
I stand corrected.

Even though they were "just joking" ;-)

What sucks is it stopped, most likely deeper under ground. but the way Berilo's wife was acting the other day, would have been a good day to confront. But that time has past and most likely its getting tough and tougher to handle for him.

I still think there is a bigger smoking gun its just a matter of taking the time to find it, but again the affair will grow at the same time.
 
#96 ·
I still think there is a bigger smoking gun its just a matter of taking the time to find it, but again the affair will grow at the same time.
Given what I now know about my wife's condition and her conduct, I don't want to go for reconciliation: I want to pull the plug on this marriage.

I am going to get some excellent proof before I do -- for me to be able set the record absolutely straight, as well as for whatever formal or legal value it might have.

I am also planning my exit so I am as protected as possible and my anguish is reduced.

And yes, I am in the process of gathering this proof, but exactly how I won't outline here. Thanks to everyone for their very helpful suggestions.
 
#98 ·
How are you holding up?
Thanks, Pidge, for your concern.

I am feeling awful, really. I can't think of too much else than this situation, it weighs very heavily on me. I have found some calm at work this week, which has helped. One of our groups is working late on a project tonight, with pizza brought in, so I am just going to hang around with them and help out so I don't have to go home until about 10:00. Yes -- someone is actually, truly "working late"!

Atmosphere at home is awkward but not tense. I think she is oblivious to what I already know and what I am collecting on the affair. I haven't looked carefully yet at what information I am getting, as it hurts very much what I have already seen. I will look at it Monday when I can take the afternoon off. If if give her some space on the weekend, she'll probably inadvertently give me everything else I need.

I am seeing a lawyer tomorrow.
 
#99 ·
Good luck, stay strong, but most of all pray. So sorry for your situation and I am praying for you too. It may be to early to say but all the men I know that have truly let go have all ended up much better than before. One sixty year old has had several break ups over the years and is finally getting married again with no regrets at all. Its going to be tough but worth it.
 
#100 ·
Berilo - I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU NOT MAKE LONG TERM DECISIONS. You are in shock and guessing at what is wrong is with her. We are not psychiatrists and neither are you. BPD may be the root issue, MAYBE NOT. You are reacting to pain and fear. You need to confront and see what happens. She may be fully willing to do everything necessary to make your marriage work and mean it. Do not let your anger, fear and what little you know so far make your decisions.
 
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#101 ·
I just read your thread. You have been given some great advice.
Follow it.
The position you are in now is limbo. This is by far the most painful place to be.
Confront your wife with the evidence that you have. It is ample.
Ask her what she wants to do. Set your boundaries.

That is all you have to do at this stage. But, please. Just do it.
 
#102 ·
I now have lots of stuff on the record. I am now absolutely certain about what is going on. She won't be able to deny her way out of this now -- although I am sure she will try.

I will confront her this weekend.
 
#103 ·
Keep us posted. Stay calm don't let anger overwhelm you. And DON't make long term decisions or statements yet. Just state how you feel.
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#104 ·
Berilo, thanks for the update. Please be very careful. Although you have not seen her become physically violent in the past, an emotionally unstable woman is capable of acting in ways you never thought possible. My exW, for example, simply amazed me. Like your W, my exW never was physically violent but she did have an explosive temper tantrum in which she called the police and had me arrested on a bogus charge. A BPDer has full control over her actions even when throwing a hissy fit. She can be in such a rage for an hour and, then, when the police arrive, instantly transform into the meek, distraught "victim" she wants to portray. I therefore wish you the very best, Berilo.
 
#105 ·
Berilo, osrry it has come to be true. You have great advice here already. Read through and plan a course of action. There are also a number of other great threads. You aren't alone, there are dozens going through the same thing.

We are here for you and willing to help. Use this to ask questions, get advice and vent. that's what we're here for ;)

Q~
 
#106 · (Edited)
Well, I finally did it and confronted her last night. It didn't happen in the way I expected, but it's done.

Anyway, I had gathered more than enough information, including recordings and emails, about her affair. It is so blatant it is also ridiculous. Yesterday, after dinner, she received a call and went to take it in the bathroom -- in hushed tones.

I don't know why, and it probably wasn't the right thing to do, but I wondered what would happen if the situation were reversed? So an hour later, I called myself on my personal cell from my business cell. I picked it up, walked out to the balcony and pretended to talk in hushed tones. When she followed me in, I said "Have to go, and hung up."

She exploded, demanding to know who I was talking to! (Wow! On the first "mysterious" call! I have suffered about 100!) I told her "nobody", which was true, and it got worse. She pried my cell out of my hands (no problem, nothing to hide), I went to take a shower. When I came out, she was on her Blackberry, so I returned the favor and pried it out of her hands. She was texting the OM, who was listed by name, and saying she loved him and if she married him she'd be the happiest woman in the world. He said something to the same effect.

That was the signal for my declaration. I told her I knew she was having an affair, I had lots of proof, and it was over. I started to pack my bags, as I had been preparing to move to our bigger and nicer house we are building (it's 85% finished).

She blew up, starting to accuse me of all kinds of awful things (none of which has any truth), and demanded that I return her cell. I said yes, once I had seen all the messages. She responded by smashing my cell on the floor. I did the same thing with hers, and kept the chip. (I don't care about mine, there's nothing there.)

As I was taking my bags out of the apartment, she took my briefcase, which had my laptop, and tossed it out of the 12th floor window to the (unoccupied) terrance below. I did the same with her purse, and left, not before she gave me a good whack on the head with the big television remote. Ouch!

We both went downstairs to find our stuff. Mine was stuck on a second floor terrace, and I might not be able to get it. It's probably a wreck anyway. Most of the laptop files are backed up at work, so it's not a total loss.

Her purse, however, was open, and all the stuff in it went flying -- and the wind was up, so it scattered it everywhere. I helped her pick up a few things, determined that I couldn't find any more (including my briefcase), and said a quick good-bye.

I got into a taxi 10 minutes later. The new house isn't very comfortable yet, almost no furniture, but it was quiet and peaceful.

I wish it hadn't happened this way, but it did, and Uptown was right on that she became this ferocious monster.

I have had a few items of good luck in what I took and how I left, which I won't post here. But one of them is that I had accidentally left my VAR on -- it recorded the whole thing. I just listened to it this morning -- she sounds like a raving maniac, while I am just expressing disappointment and the usual bitterness of being betrayed. (I have been living with this for so long, I don't have the anger that I might have had a few months ago.) This recording could come in very handy if, as Uptown warns, she escalates the action.

I am changing the locks on the new house and seeing my lawyer again on Tuesday.
 
#109 ·
Well, I finally did it and confronted her last night. It didn't happen in the way I expected, but it's done.

I had to wait a few weeks before I dropped the bomb, because my uncle had a stroke and I am his closest relative. (He's ok but in hospital. I couldn't deal with two family crises at the same time.)

Anyway, I had gathered more than enough information, including recordings and emails, about her affair. It is so blatant it is also ridiculous. Yesterday, after dinner, she received a call and went to take it in the bathroom -- in hushed tones.

I don't know why, and it probably wasn't the right thing to do, but I wondered what would happen if the situation were reversed? So an hour later, I called myself on my personal cell from my business cell. I picked it up, walked out to the balcony and pretended to talk in hushed tones. When she followed me in, I said "Have to go, and hung up."

She exploded, demanding to know who I was talking to! (Wow! On the first "mysterious" call! I have suffered about 100!) I told her "nobody", which was true, and it got worse. She pried my cell out of my hands (no problem, nothing to hide), I went to take a shower. When I came out, she was on her Blackberry, so I returned the favor and pried it out of her hands. She was texting the OM, who was listed by name, and saying she loved him and if she married him she'd be the happiest woman in the world. He said something to the same effect.

That was the signal for my declaration. I told her I knew she was having an affair, I had lots of proof, and it was over. I started to pack my bags, as I had been preparing to move to our bigger and nicer house we are building (it's 85% finished).

She blew up, starting to accuse me of all kinds of awful things (none of which has any truth), and demanded that I return her cell. I said yes, once I had seen all the messages. She responded by smashing my cell on the floor. I did the same thing with hers, and kept the chip. (I don't care about mine, there's nothing there.)

As I was taking my bags out of the apartment, she took my briefcase, which had my laptop, and tossed it out of the 12th floor window to the (unoccupied) terrance below. I did the same with her purse, and left, not before she gave me a good whack on the head with the big television remote. Ouch!

We both went downstairs to find our stuff. Mine was stuck on a second floor terrace, and I might not be able to get it. It's probably a wreck anyway. Most of the laptop files are backed up at work, so it's not a total loss.

Her purse, however, was open, and all the stuff in it went flying -- and the wind was up, so it scattered it everywhere. I helped her pick up a few things, determined that I couldn't find any more (including my briefcase), and said a quick good-bye.

I got into a taxi 10 minutes later. The new house isn't very comfortable yet, almost no furniture, but it was quiet and peaceful.

I wish it hadn't happened this way, but it did, and Uptown was right on that she became this ferocious monster.

I have had a few items of good luck in what I took and how I left, which I won't post here. But one of them is that I had accidentally left my VAR on -- it recorded the whole thing. I just listened to it this morning -- she sounds like a raving maniac, while I am just expressing disappointment and the usual bitterness of being betrayed. (I have been living with this for so long, I don't have the anger that I might have had a few months ago.) This recording could come in very handy if, as Uptown warns, she escalates the action.

I am changing the locks on the new house and seeing my lawyer again on Tuesday.

I am sorry it came to that. I also knew that she would most likely get violent if she has BPD. Sounds like how I've reacted almost to the letter.

I hope you realize you did nothing wrong. If she has BPD she has to get psychiatric intervention. That is on her. She is a broken person and will be till she seeks help. You would never have been able to "fix" her.

I wish you all the best.
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