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@deidre - I appreciate this perspective. Yes, I care about my family’s reputation. Yes, I know this is more than just her affair but something she is missing in her life. I was completely blindsided by this. What I am struggling with is that maybe I want justice for this guy without the collateral damage. I can’t tell you much it hurts to know he is basking in the glory of coaching the team and is coaching my daughter. It is excruciating. My wife continues to fundraiser and interact with him. He is WINNING. My world is imploding. We are about to tell our kids that their parents are divorcing. Heartbreaking.
Why are you allowing this? You're acting like a punching bag dude. You don't deserve this so stop letting them pummel you.
 
Why are you allowing this? You're acting like a punching bag dude. You don't deserve this so stop letting them pummel you.
Conan, unfortunately we all know this type of individuals are not able to "get it". In their misguided weakness they cower and prefer to act as a martyr, swallowing all their pride, self respect, self worth in the name of making sure no one knows that they have been made a **** by their woman; mascarading it in the name of protecting their children.

What they don't see is that already people know, that the children will either sooner or later figure it out and be sick and upset when they realize the degree of bending over and cowering their father did. Which at the same time might make them think that is OK to cheat because there will be little to no repercussions if they do. After all their father just proved it.

Whatever is it that is making so many men to have no sense of self respect and pride these days?? But I attribute it to the cultural castration that has been going on for so long to Western men to the point that many would prefer to see their woman ****ing other men rather than losing her and breaking the family. It has become pathetic.

The usual cliches are spoken:
But I love her so much (like loving her has anything to do do with it).
I'm trying to keep the family together (at what cost?).
I'm doing it to protect the children (what a sad excuse).

Well, I think that nothing will get through this OP. He already created a web of secrecy (so he thinks) to protect himself from misguided embarrassment.
 
What they don't see is that already people know, that the children will either sooner or later figure it out and be sick and upset when they realize the degree of bending over and cowering their father did. Which at the same time might make them think that is OK to cheat because there will be little to no repercussions if they do.
Or, also horrible, he’s teaching his kid(s) to shrink in fear and accommodate those who abuse them.

Whatever is it that is making so many men to have no sense of self respect and pride these days?? But I attribute it to the cultural castration that has been going on for so long to Western men to the point that many would prefer to see their woman ****ing other men rather than losing her and breaking the family. It has become pathetic.
I think it’s a combination of massively declining testosterone in men as well as toxic cultural feminism that preaches men must be quiet and passive, else be “cancelled”. Tragic.
 
I think it’s a combination of massively declining testosterone in men as well as toxic cultural feminism that preaches men must be quiet and passive, else be “cancelled”. Tragic.
Tragic indeed. Hard to understand guys like this. Its almost like he gets some perverse pleasure out of being abused and humiliated.
 
Tragic indeed. Hard to understand guys like this. Its almost like he gets some perverse pleasure out of being abused and humiliated.
It Saddens me. I wonder how my situation nine years ago would have turned out had I taken an approach such as @Humble_lettuce has. Thankfully I gleaned some stellar advice from this site. Went total 180, acted unpredictably,and the situation was righted.
 
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@Humble_lettuce , I am going to bow out of this thread but leave you with one of my favorited quotes by General George S. Patton-“I do not measure a man’s success by how far he climbs, but how high he bounces when he hits bottom”.
 
@deidre - I appreciate this perspective. Yes, I care about my family’s reputation. Yes, I know this is more than just her affair but something she is missing in her life. I was completely blindsided by this. What I am struggling with is that maybe I want justice for this guy without the collateral damage. I can’t tell you much it hurts to know he is basking in the glory of coaching the team and is coaching my daughter. It is excruciating. My wife continues to fundraiser and interact with him. He is WINNING. My world is imploding. We are about to tell our kids that their parents are divorcing. Heartbreaking.
I definitely think exposing him so he can’t be a coach for kids, would be the right thing to do. He shouldn’t be coaching kids and having affairs with their moms. He should lose his job. I think I missed that he’s coaching your daughter. You don’t have to consult your wife at all on this - just reach out to whoever employs him, and share what you know. The only thing is, it won’t stay in a vacuum so if/when he’s fired and this gets out that it was because he was having an affair with your wife, your daughter may get bullied by other kids over it. I do think he should lose his job, and not be around kids. I don’t think your wife is a victim but your daughter and other kids are. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. 🥺
 
I'm a divorce attorney. I'll be frank. Do not tell your daughter unless you want to destroy her emotionally. It will place her in the middle. She's in no way, shape or form an adult. She's a teen. If you want her to struggle emotionally and perhaps be scarred for life, selfishly share with her. If you care about her and about being a good dad, protect her.

Do not listen to those who assert otherwise. They do not know what they're talking about. A lot of people really mess up their children by placing them in the middle. The worse I've ever heard about (wasn't my case, a colleague told me about it) was a 6 year old who hung herself with a belt while her younger sibling was watching TV in the other room.

Good parents protect their children. They don't need to know this is their mother's fault. Besides, who's to say it is. Maybe she's having an affair. But what brings someone to that point? I'm not saying it's your fault. I don't see it as anyone's fault. But it's way to facile to blame her. There's always blame enough to go around. Be a good father. Be a man. Suck it up and get emotional support not from your children but from friends, family, a therapist, a support group.
 
I'm a divorce attorney. I'll be frank. Do not tell your daughter unless you want to destroy her emotionally. It will place her in the middle. She's in no way, shape or form an adult. She's a teen. If you want her to struggle emotionally and perhaps be scarred for life, selfishly share with her. If you care about her and about being a good dad, protect her.

Do not listen to those who assert otherwise. They do not know what they're talking about. A lot of people really mess up their children by placing them in the middle. The worse I've ever heard about (wasn't my case, a colleague told me about it) was a 6 year old who hung herself with a belt while her younger sibling was watching TV in the other room.

Good parents protect their children. They don't need to know this is their mother's fault. Besides, who's to say it is. Maybe she's having an affair. But what brings someone to that point? I'm not saying it's your fault. I don't see it as anyone's fault. But it's way to facile to blame her. There's always blame enough to go around. Be a good father. Be a man. Suck it up and get emotional support not from your children but from friends, family, a therapist, a support group.
And people actually pay you for this advice?
 
I'll try and make this brief. Looking for advice. My wife (44) and I (45) have been married for 21 years and in relationship for almost 28 years. We are high school sweethearts. We have two children 18 & 13.

All in all we've had an incredible marriage, no rough patches. Roughly 4 months ago, my wife started pushing me away pretty hard. I was absolutely blindsided by this. She was "wanting space",needing things", "changing", etc etc. Ultimately, I discovered that her "fundraising" with my child's high school softball team went beyond fundraising and she was having an inappropriate relationship with the Softball Coach. Hours and hours of phone conversations, some in the middle of the night (one on an out of town girls weekend after they took psychedelic mushrooms - first time since college and her idea - and after her friend went to bed). I confronted her and after several lies, she acknowledged she f***ed up. She was a wreck. She lost a bunch of weight and was very worried about her reputation. She started seeing a therapist. I believe this man targeted my wife and asked her to fundraise and then did concessions duties with her, brought her along on coaches dinners and team building events with the kids.

My wife out of guilt talked to my oldest daughter, who is a senior in high school and has worked verv hard at this sport, but did not tell her who this person was, just that she was "talking with someone" and they she would stop. The only thing that she has admitted to me (without discovering on my own), is that after records show phone calls ramping way up, they took their relationship to a private messaging app. She said that they "had feelings for each other" and that she "couldn't like two people at once". She opened up to her parents after discovery and to her siblings about it (although much more limited in detail).

My wife told myself and my daughter that she was no longer and would no longer talk to this person. However, I overheard them having a conversation and it was very painful as they were talking about me ("he will be gone at x time", "what would you do if he showed up at your door", and something that if I had the context right leads me to believe they have long term plans). I believe this to be an emotional affair by definition, but some other clues are very suspicious to something more than that (I know she was at odd remote locations late at night in the dark and when asked about this (after initially lying), she said she had "went out there to call him").

Throughout I have been very supportive and told her we could work through this and that I desperately wanted to keep our family together. Ultimately, she told me she "didn't want our relationship anymore". She said she had lost feelings for me. This remains her decision and she has stuck with it. I fear divorce is looming. I am absolutely heartbroken about it. My life has been flipped upside down. I am super scared and so sad for my kids.

I confronted this guy when I knew nobody else was around. He absolutely denies everything. His spouse called me later on and she dismissed everything and said that they were just fundraising and that the team has worked hard and Softball, Softball, Softball, "they are going to win state". She says he is the most honest man she knows and that he swears by the "kingdom of heaven...". I should note that this coach is married with five children (Mormon). Turns out he had called my wife to prepare her for his wife (and him) calling her. My wife denied everything to his wife saying that her and I are just going through some marital problems and "sorry for bringing them into it".

Again, I am absolutely traumatized by all of this and super sad. My wife has been lying and gaslighting me. She is now over-the-top interested in my daughter's softball team and oddly acting as if she is part of the coaching squad. I think this is a way of strengthening the guise of "fundraising" as to protect her reputation should this get out to the community. So ultimately I would look like a jealous or crazy husband (I've had no reason our entire marriage to doubt or distrust her). The season just started and she will be going to all the games, but I am having a really hard time deciding whether to attend those games. It will be gut wrenching and awkward. This is the game that I taught my daughter and coached her at a young age. My wife continues to fundraise and will receive praise for the new bleachers, equipment, etc. Obviously she is still working with this guy.

I am absolutely struggling to decide when or whether to tell my daughter who this person is that ruined our family and rocked my world. Does she deserve to know? Is she going to resent that I did didn't tell her? Would telling her cause too much pain for her? My wife's family is adamant my daughter not know, but there is obviously some motive of protecting my wife. At one point, my daughter on her own asked me with tears..."ls it my coach"? I froze and asked her talk to my wife who told her "no it is not".
She lied to her. Anyway, a lot of complicated layers, but I am really having a tough time navigating this.
Start preparing because while you run around with your hair on fire, she's laying her groundwork for any eventualities. One day you'll show up and your keys no longer work and you'll be out of your own house and everything will be your fault for her feeling lonely and making a bad decision. Typical woman playbook......just be careful. What you think you know will likely turn out to be barely scratching the surface. The question is, are you prepared for the real truth when it inevitably comes out?
 
Bro sack up, why is it the cheaters decision how you move going forward, and it's not on this man what your wife decided 2 do and c'mon they grown so much time you can't account 4 this ain't only an EA, you know what there doing you just don't want to admit it to yourself.

She's remorseless there is nothing to hold on to, for once since her affair started your going 2 have a choice with something, get you a good lawyer and tell ur daughter.
 
Five hundred dollars for a consultation, brother. How much do they pay for yours?
Your advice is bad. Stick to the legal corners of divorce.

Many posting here have real life experiences, including me, and you get paid for filing the right paperwork concerning divorces which has zip to do with morals or values.
 
Your advice is bad. Stick to the legal corners of divorce.

Many posting here have real life experiences, including me, and you get paid for filing the right paperwork concerning divorces which has zip to do with morals or values.
<REDACTED> I've been through this stuff in my own life (divorced twice, raised two children myself) and now I'm happily married for 15 years, raising a 10 year old with my wife. I've also guided countless families through this soft of thing.

People who share intimate details of their divorces with their children place them in the middle. It's extremely harmful. A real man has to suck it up sometimes, for the sake of his children. If you don't get that, you're not much of a father. Telling them something hurtful about the other parent is cruel and selfish. Do people do it? Sure. Those people are immature, selfish, not smart (or some combination thereof).
 
Man, there's a chorus of guys in here who sound like little boys. Or maybe incels who have no understanding of why women don't take them seriously. A guy is never going to get what he wants by being a jerk. And being sensitive to your child's needs is not weakness but strength. Real strength. Not a little boy's deluded version of what it means to be strong.

If a man's wife is having an affair, he has every right to leave. That's fine. But, for God's sake, don't tell the kids. It's none of their business and they need to be protected. If a guy chooses to try to work through the very real trauma and make the marriage work, that's not weak either. I'm not saying it's necessarily the smart move. I can imagine situations where it's not smart. After all, past behavior is usually the best predictor of future behavior. But not always. Two women cheated on me and I walked out the door. I chose not to reconcile but I don't see that as a show of strength. In many ways, it was my weakness, my insecurity, that didn't allow me to consider other options.

If an affair causes a couple to look at what was wrong with the marriage and really fix it, the result can be a better and stronger marriage. It's not a path I'd recommend. Far smarter to work on the marriage itself if there's a problem rather than compounding it with an affair. But at the end of the day, there is this thing called healing. It is possible. It doesn't always happen. In fact, it doesn't often happen. But it can and does happen. And those men who stick it out are not necessarily foolish.
 
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