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Wife of 21 years - affair with high school softball coach

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I'll try and make this brief. Looking for advice. My wife (44) and I (45) have been married for 21 years and in relationship for almost 28 years. We are high school sweethearts. We have two children 18 & 13.

All in all we've had an incredible marriage, no rough patches. Roughly 4 months ago, my wife started pushing me away pretty hard. I was absolutely blindsided by this. She was "wanting space",needing things", "changing", etc etc. Ultimately, I discovered that her "fundraising" with my child's high school softball team went beyond fundraising and she was having an inappropriate relationship with the Softball Coach. Hours and hours of phone conversations, some in the middle of the night (one on an out of town girls weekend after they took psychedelic mushrooms - first time since college and her idea - and after her friend went to bed). I confronted her and after several lies, she acknowledged she f***ed up. She was a wreck. She lost a bunch of weight and was very worried about her reputation. She started seeing a therapist. I believe this man targeted my wife and asked her to fundraise and then did concessions duties with her, brought her along on coaches dinners and team building events with the kids.

My wife out of guilt talked to my oldest daughter, who is a senior in high school and has worked verv hard at this sport, but did not tell her who this person was, just that she was "talking with someone" and they she would stop. The only thing that she has admitted to me (without discovering on my own), is that after records show phone calls ramping way up, they took their relationship to a private messaging app. She said that they "had feelings for each other" and that she "couldn't like two people at once". She opened up to her parents after discovery and to her siblings about it (although much more limited in detail).

My wife told myself and my daughter that she was no longer and would no longer talk to this person. However, I overheard them having a conversation and it was very painful as they were talking about me ("he will be gone at x time", "what would you do if he showed up at your door", and something that if I had the context right leads me to believe they have long term plans). I believe this to be an emotional affair by definition, but some other clues are very suspicious to something more than that (I know she was at odd remote locations late at night in the dark and when asked about this (after initially lying), she said she had "went out there to call him").

Throughout I have been very supportive and told her we could work through this and that I desperately wanted to keep our family together. Ultimately, she told me she "didn't want our relationship anymore". She said she had lost feelings for me. This remains her decision and she has stuck with it. I fear divorce is looming. I am absolutely heartbroken about it. My life has been flipped upside down. I am super scared and so sad for my kids.

I confronted this guy when I knew nobody else was around. He absolutely denies everything. His spouse called me later on and she dismissed everything and said that they were just fundraising and that the team has worked hard and Softball, Softball, Softball, "they are going to win state". She says he is the most honest man she knows and that he swears by the "kingdom of heaven...". I should note that this coach is married with five children (Mormon). Turns out he had called my wife to prepare her for his wife (and him) calling her. My wife denied everything to his wife saying that her and I are just going through some marital problems and "sorry for bringing them into it".

Again, I am absolutely traumatized by all of this and super sad. My wife has been lying and gaslighting me. She is now over-the-top interested in my daughter's softball team and oddly acting as if she is part of the coaching squad. I think this is a way of strengthening the guise of "fundraising" as to protect her reputation should this get out to the community. So ultimately I would look like a jealous or crazy husband (I've had no reason our entire marriage to doubt or distrust her). The season just started and she will be going to all the games, but I am having a really hard time deciding whether to attend those games. It will be gut wrenching and awkward. This is the game that I taught my daughter and coached her at a young age. My wife continues to fundraise and will receive praise for the new bleachers, equipment, etc. Obviously she is still working with this guy.

I am absolutely struggling to decide when or whether to tell my daughter who this person is that ruined our family and rocked my world. Does she deserve to know? Is she going to resent that I did didn't tell her? Would telling her cause too much pain for her? My wife's family is adamant my daughter not know, but there is obviously some motive of protecting my wife. At one point, my daughter on her own asked me with tears..."ls it my coach"? I froze and asked her talk to my wife who told her "no it is not".
She lied to her. Anyway, a lot of complicated layers, but I am really having a tough time navigating this.
 
#2 ·
Just some quick thoughts.
1. Tell your daughter, She's a senior which means she's 18 or at least nearing age of majority. She deserves to know.
2. Gat a VAR and start recording conversations. She and lover boy are obviously gaslighting and lying to all concerned.
3. Understand that your wife is no longer the same woman you married. She is rapidly becoming your enemy. She is definitely a cheater
4. This has likely gone way farther than you suspect. I'd bet the ranch she's banging him.
5. This is most important: DON'T BE A SIMP! Weakness is ALWAYS a losing approach. Get tough and don't put up with her bullsh-t. Handle this like a boss from the start.

I'm sure others will weigh in with advice. But don't be like so many other BS's here and start off making mistakes that will only worsen your position and that you'll wind up regretting.
 
#3 ·
Expose the affair to those who are important and yes, it will get out but that's the quickest way to put the kibosh on the affair.

If I were you, I would get a really good family law attorney, don't skimp, and get your ducks in a row before exposing.

You should probably aim for divorce and let your ridiculous excuse for a wife figure out if she wants to bust her ass trying to clean up her mess.

This is on her and if there is any chance at reconciliation, it has to be her decision to do most of the work because it's 💯 % her fault.
 
#4 ·
Nothing new with your story. TAM filled with them. You have nothing to work with. Your “wife” is lying, gaslighting, cheating. Her family is protecting her. She n her AP are managing their affair. And if you think grownups spend this much energy on an EA I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.

Btw, the AP isnt to blame. Your “wife” did what she wanted to do. She already told you she can’t love two men at once. You are her second choice now.

My observation is the men who get the D over n done with do the best. There is a guy on TAM right now in midst of getting the Divorce done and feeling better already. He discovered his “wife” was someone he never really knew. And no longer cares to know.

Your wife had an opportunity to try to salvage the marriage but didn’t want to.
 
#8 ·
It's interesting that you blame the guy for this which is what a lot of betrayed men do.
It was probably just as much as her if not more of her, yes hard to get your head around I know.
The late night meetings where she claimed to be ringing him were clearly them both meeting.

Yes you need to tell your late teen daughter, especially as they are still meeting and she is divorcing you.
It's sad the other betrayed spouse won't believe what her husband is doing but that's up to her in the end.
 
#9 ·
I'm very sorry you're going through all this. I've been in a bit of a pickle myself. The real question i have here's, if you believe in your heart she's had an EA, or possibly more, what consequences does she now have to deal with? What consequences of what you feel IS a betrayal are you willing to impose?
If she has nothing to loose, then why would she stop? Why would she believe she is wrong. You're now playing the pick me dance. It won't work. It will just bring you more pain, misery and shame. Now is the time to respect yourself and do right by you, not what everyone else thinks, including her. This is a choice she made. Yes, she made this. It's not your fault.
Doing nothing, just gives her a greenlight to continue abusing you. This not a time to be a paper tiger. You must be willing to put her feet to fire and hold firm. If she pushes back, thinking your bluffing, call the bluff. You have to have the power, you need to control the narrative!
It won't be easy, never is.
 
#10 ·
Your daughter is an adult. And, she cannot be allowed to unknowingly play softball for the man who is having a sexual affair with her mother. You risk really damaging your relationship with her by keeping that from her...

I would also inform the school about this coach who is using school sponsored volunteer efforts to hit on his student's mothers and start affairs with them (yes your wife is 100% at fault, but that's how I would put it to the school). Let them know you are seriously considering calling a reporter from the local paper to see if they are interested in a story about that. Basically put pressure on them to dump him or otherwise make his life difficult. You have enough proof, just be sure to keep it 100% factual. A guy like that should NOT be a role model for a group of young women.

Send the AP's wife copies of the phone bills that show all the calls, at all hours of day and night, and the rest of the information you have.

Shining the light of day on the affair is the best way to ensure it's over. And I'm with Conan on this, start the divorce process and the 180, you can always stop the divorce if your WW manages to show you that she has changed.

Stop being passive, it's time to stand up for yourself and take action. Good luck.
 
#12 · (Edited)
....All in all we've had an incredible marriage, no rough patches.
There must have been some signs of this along the road, before she put the 'fun' in fundraising.

....... on an out of town girls weekend after they took psychedelic mushrooms..
Was she doing something like ayahuasca with the guy? Or girls. Do a deep dive on this. It may be a fiction designed to state 'the drugs made me do this', so it's not her fault, a way to wiggle out, like a Flip Wilson routine.
..... I believe this man targeted my wife....
This is wishful thinking; you're finding excuses for her. C'mon man.
..... they took their relationship to a private messaging app.
It's over. Man up like Karole said.
..... couldn't like two people at once..
It's over. Find an attorney now.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I am really sorry you are facing this treason. You have received some really good tactical advice. You would do well to follow it.

I know that you are in an emotional tailspin as your world has been up ended.

I am going to advise you now in the strongeat terms possible that you are going to have to find your strength. This will test you to the limits of your endurance. Here is an immutable truth, unremorseful traitors will take advantage of weakness and the more weakness the betrayed shows, the more the unremoresful traitor abuses them. They will kick you when you are down. The altruistic always gets rolled by the unremorseful cheating "spouse".

Heres what i advise. Please read and internalize:

• No More Mr. Nice Guy

• The Way Of the Superior Man

• Leave A Cheater, Gain A Life: The Chump Lady's Survival Guide.

Read up on the "180" approach and adopting the "Grey Rock" when around her. NO "going along to get along". NO chasing her. NO "pick me dance". You dont rant or rave around her. You do not cry around her. You treat her like a stranger, calm and aloof. If she says anything like "Whats gotten into you?", you know you're probably doing it right. Do what you want. If you want to go to your daughter's games, go and do not sit near her! If you want to tell your daughter that her Mom has another boyfriend, do it. Do not factor her into your plans. Do not take her into your confidence. She is on the outside looking in.

See an attorney to find out your rights and check your finances. If you have combined finances, you need to separate them.

Bottom line, you need to show strength like never before and be an iceberg (do not get fiery, get icy).

Keep posting and listen to these folks. If I had had a place like this during my betrayal, it could well have saved me me much prolonged heartache.

Strength OP. Strength.
 
#16 ·
"The season just started and she will be going to all the games, but I am having a really hard time deciding whether to attend those games. It will be gut wrenching and awkward."

Bro...absolutely go to the games. First of all don't let them interfere in your relationship with your daughter. Be there for her. Secondly, don't for a minute let them think they have intimidated you. This is just me, but I would stand as close to the coaches as possible and if eye contact were to be made, i wouldn't look away. Thirdly, don't take any crap from your wife about going to the games or standing in the background. Go, be vocal, project strength and be visible. I'm not saying to start anything or act overtly aggressive, but don't let them control your actions...ever

Additionally as this is ongoing, i would amass more evidence of the affair and take it to the school superintendent and AP's wife. Get a PI on it, and whatever else you can do to bring this into the light.
 
#17 ·
Why are you so weak?. Throughout I have been very supportive…… Why? You are eating :poop:. I mean really, being supportive of them disposing of you....

You are supporting:
"I overheard them having a conversation and it was very painful as they were talking about me (‘he will be gone at x time’), …. leads me to believe they have long term plans…. I believe this to be an emotional affair (No, it's physical), ….. I know she was at odd remote locations late at night in the dark and …she said she had "went out there to call him". (She wasn't CALLING him..)
 
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#19 ·
The fact that you think this man targeted your wife is absolutely ridiculous. But I’ll play along, he targeted her. Did she tell you, no. Did she remove herself from the committee, no. She chose to have an affair.

Since the year is almost over, I would try to hold off telling your daughter. Don’t lie to her. If she asks tell her the truth.

No matter what is going on it’s not your daughters fault. She deserves to have both her parents at her games supporting her.

This is between you and your wife. You were a jerk to confront him and a %%#$&+ for contacting his wife This has nothing to do with the school unless there’s something inappropriate happening in front of the students.

Fix your own problems. Get your affairs in order and consult a divorce attorney
 
#23 ·
This is between you and your wife. You were a jerk to confront him and a %%#$&+ for contacting his wife This has nothing to do with the school unless there’s something inappropriate happening in front of the students.
While you're at it, invite him over for a night of sex with your wife. In the morning make them both breakfast. Be sure to ask him how he likes his eggs. Its the least you can do.
 
#21 ·
I'd play hardball:

1. Get 2 voice activated recorders ("VARs" in TAM lingo). Keep one with you at all times. As a man, you're subject to false and dangerous charges of domestic abuse. Hide the other one in her car to catch their illicit conversations as she blabs in her safeplace;

2. See an attorney as soon as possible. Interview several to find one that you're in sync with. Get a pit bull and file first;

3. You didn't mention if she has a job. Don't do anything to jeopardize it as the long game goes better if she's not going to rape you in court as she gets paid by you to screw The Coach. Separate all your finances ASAP and cut her off;

4. You didn't mention anything about your own bedroom workouts. If they haven't stopped, think about not returning to the dugout. If they've stopped, good as you don't want to pick up any penalties there;

5. If you live in a "no fault" state, gathering evidence of her rounding the bases won't help. You know she's wacking the bat and you don't have to prove it to anyone else; and,

6. Go with the final score in mind...and in your own mind think about what defines "winning?" In that, think of your girls and that they need to see in their father how a strong, honorable MAN reacts.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Sir, I read this thread. I went through something very similar almost 10 years ago. I can tell you right now, You need to blow this **** up and blow it up big! You need to make her have a come to Jesus moment!

I would go to a lawyer right now and have papers drawn up and drop the Ziggy on her big time. Otherwise she controls the narrative you need to take control of this situation.


secondly, don’t be paralyzed by fear. fear not ! Fear is your enemy. It’s never as bad as you think it is! You have got to be strong. You need to let her know you will be just fine without her. Read up on the 180 implement it become indifferent to her.

as another poster has advised the VAR is an awesome tool place those around the house and in her car you will surprised at what you can glean from a properly placed device.

And above all your daughter is old enough to know who has ****ed up the marriage and the family. She needs to know her mother can’t keep her legs together.

and none of this is your fault. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise she made a decision to cheat and the cheating is all on her and as for your father and mother-in-law they can go pound sand.
 
#27 ·
Typical betrayed spouse wanting to believe it’s an emotional affair. Nope, they had sex and a lot of it. Wake up. Get out of denial.
Right now you are letting her control you.
Sorry but the big bad man took advantage of my poor innocent wife is BS. Don’t be surprised if she instigated this.
You don’t cheat on the one you love. Sorry, right now you are being a chump. STOP❗
 
#28 ·
Oh and as for fundraising for softball. No no and hell no. You MUST give her an ultimatum…No more fundraising with coach or no more marriage with you.

TELL YOUR DAUGHTER the damn truth.

Quit being a doormat!

I tried the nice guy ****. Long story but nice guy did not work…Parris Island did thanks to @Marc878. Listen to us old guys who have been there done that!

I’m going on 10 years of R. Had i done what you are doing i would not have recovered my marriage.
 
#36 ·
@Humble_lettuce I’m going to give you the SGT NLLH Boot Camp for Betrayed Husband pep talk I have given a few other posters....pretend you have just arrived at Parris Island...just got off the bus...you are standing on the yellow footprints....imagine R Lee Ermy in your face yelling except SGT NLLH is better looking....your response is “YES SGT NLLH!”

1) This is 100% on your wife! Understand recruit!?

2) You will be strong, resolute, and unyielding with you wife who is now your enemy!

3) Your wife is your enemy as much as POSOM!

4) This is not your fault. Again, 100% her!

5) You will be honest with your daughter! Fu#k softball! Softball is just a ****ing game! She needs to know. Got it!?

6) Expose POSOM coach to other parents having children on the team! Mandatory they know he is a player! Understand!?

7) You will read and implement the “180”...NOW! Understand recruit!?

8) He may have targeted your wife. It take two to tango. She could have said NO! She did not
Understand!?

9) SGT NLLH orders you immediately to read “No More Mr.Nice Guy” And “Grow A Pair”. NOW!?

10) You can and will engage solid legal counsel....drop papers on her...have her served!?

11) Right now she is not worthy to wipe the sweat off your ass!

12) I reeepeeeat!......SHE IS NOW YOUR ENEMY! NOT YOUR FRIEND!

13) VAR her car.....your house....

14) See PM from Sarge....I’ve been there done that!
 
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