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Wife apparently cheated last year.

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I really have no idea how to handle this situation. I always thought If my wife ever cheated on me it would be a very clear cut decision. Leave. I never thought I would be...paralyzed is the best way to describe it. Not so much in fear, even though that is one of the feelings I am having but, also shock. I am currently sitting in a hotel room (work related) ten hours away from her and our home and I have no idea what to say, do, think, etc. I’ve been on autopilot since I found out yesterday afternoon. I have only spoken to her briefly and have not mentioned anything about what I know. My emotions are all over the place.

I guess some details are needed. We have been married for four years. I am 32 and she is 31. No children but recently made the decision to start trying. Obviously that’s going to stop. I was notified by the spouse of the guy she was cheating on me with. She provided a couple of pictures via text. One that showed them kissing at her car. The other of them coming out of what is apparently a motel room. She says she has a portable thumb drive for me if I want it. It has everything her investigator gathered that pertains to my wife. She wants to meet up and give me the drive and apologize in person for waiting for so long to come forward, as well as answer any questions I might have. She talked quite a bit but honestly, I only remember bits and pieces of it.
I need to leave for a work meeting and honestly I don’t have it in me to post the details of what I know right now but I will. Right now I just don’t know what I need. Other than sleep
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She has been offered a promotion that would involve traveling within our state. Averaging about four to five nights a month away from home. She is not wanting to take it because we are currently trying to R but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to turn the job down. So we are working on that.
Random thought. It might not even be the travel, but rather, the extra work the promotion will cause in the short term as she gets up to speed. An extra 45-90 minutes a night adds up. Plus, if she's responsible for overseeing her current position, and she's good at it, she doesn't have herself doing that job anymore either.

I actually had a guy I wanted to promote a couple years back. He had 2 kids in HS, one in middle, and he said no. Biggest reason he turned it down, he wasn't confident he'd be able to replace himself (he was/is really efficient and good - hard to disagree with him) and he wanted to enjoy his kid's time before they were off to college. He didn't want or need the extra time & stress. The time was worth more to him than money.

Anyway, she's pretty explicitly saying, you're more important than the job (and the money) and she doesn't want to f'it up.
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Was your wife with anyone else during your separation?
She tries repeatedly to initiate sex with me during this time. Sort of kind of succeeding once. I became very good at turning her down and it furthered her guilt about the affair and not being good enough to be a wife. Specifically my wife.

While I think all of us can understand the mental and emotional damage an affair does to the betrayed it is hard to understand the same for those that cheat. Not all but I believe there are those out there that cheat and really regret it. And it takes a toll on them as well. Admittedly a self inflicted wound but a wound nonetheless.

This also goes back to her upbringing and being the good Catholic girl and failing to meet that expectation.

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Hi Vintage:
It is apparent that during the affair your ex-wife feels she betrayed her Christian values. Her pledge not to have sex with anyone but you and accompanying your mother to church is a form of penitence. In addition, your refusal to have sex further reinforced the fact that she betrayed you and her values. She must have felt a great deal of shame and remorse, especially since both immediate families knew of her cheating. Our core values give us our boundaries which we live by. Without these Judeo-Christian values we flounder as individuals because we have no foundation by which we live our lives.

You have a strong value system based on your upbringing and faith. The life you lead after the divorce was contrary to what you felt was the right way to live, especially since R was a possibility. In your previous posts you alluded to the fact that in retrospect your wife's upbringing had problems that you were not aware of. All of this led her to seek validation from others and making bad choices.

I have no doubt that R can happen if your ex-wife can demonstrate by actions that she is a safe partner by re-establishing her value system. I doubt that your wife slept with anyone else during your separation and divorce. I am hopeful that things can slowly progress over the next year or two toward R.
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She's a young, attractive woman. Chances are she's going to get hit on no matter what she does. She would tell him about it whenever it occurred or when it occurred, if that's what he wants.
Getting hit on was just an example - could be other things, her not answering a phone/etc. Point is repeated travel - particularly if with the same coworker(s) - can be a strain on even strong relationships, let alone ones marred with infidelity. It's all energy best spent towards the R. At the end of the day, VR and his ex know their own personal boundaries and triggers.

I do hope that the ex's reluctance to take the job is coming from an honest desire to not impede the R rather than a fear of being away from him or a means of manipulation; sort of a 'see what I'm willing to give up for us to be together?'. Best of luck VR. Take it slow, and keep your hand near the emergency stop.
She was honest to admit it really hurt but acknowledged that she has no right to be. I have not and will not apologize for dating. Not to sound harsh. I was single. End of story.

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Just don’t forget that you ARE still single now as well.
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Just don’t forget that you ARE still single now as well.
He's in a relationship.

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Just don’t forget that you ARE still single now as well.
He's in a relationship.

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He's not married or has any financial or legal commitments to her other than those that pertain to the care and coparenting of the child as determined by the court upon their divorce.

It's his perogative and his choice if he wants to make a try at reconciliation.

But he is still a single man and they are dating.

Dating is an interview and tryout/probationary period for people to get to know each other in attempt to see if they are a match for each other or not.

Either can end that interview/tryout/probationary period at any time for any or even for no reason if they so choose.

They each need to remain aware of that.
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Slow. Ups and downs. Mostly ups. Downs are mainly mine but nothing earth shattering to warrant an update.

We have started a routine of talking after counseling. Just sit in a local cafe for about an hour and kind of do an after the counseling wrap up.

No intimacy as of yet but plenty of physical affection. I decided a conscious effort on my part in that area is the least I can do since she has been working really hard to put me at ease. And it's gotten easier. We are discussing going to the gulf coast Friday and Saturday. Just an overnight trip. If that happens it will be the longest time we have spent together alone since before our divorce. I'm pretty sure my resolve to wait and take it slow won't make it through the weekend.

While I will confess to having bouts of anxiety about the R, I have not experienced any triggers. Yet. We have discussed boundaries and expectations as suggested by our counselor. He has recommended for us to treat this as though we are not exes but a new couple just starting out dating. And because of that he has suggested not to incorporate our son into our outings/dates right now. He put it like this. Our current arrangement is all our son knows. If we were dating other people we would not bring them around him unless we knew it was for the long term. The same reasoning applies here. He also pointed out that by making it a family outing, it would be real easy to build our new relationship on the bond we have with our child instead of between the two of us.

We are doing a lot of reading and talking about what happened but are limiting it to counseling nights and only on those occasions we feel it's important to work through an issue that can't wait.

Basically we are just trying to get to know the new us. I've changed a lot and so has she.

She has been offered a promotion that would involve traveling within our state. Averaging about four to five nights a month away from home. She is not wanting to take it because we are currently trying to R but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to turn the job down. So we are working on that.

That's about it. Kind of dull. So I'll say it is a win so far.

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My take is like before if you are going to R then DO IT. Don't hedge your bets, so if the possibility that the new job can mess that up or mess you up don't do it for now. Seriously you are basically putting your entire future into this R and you are worried about skipping a promotion? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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It depends on how the cheating happened. I wouldn't worry about it under these circumstances.

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I think she has a very concise understanding of where she stands with VR. in my opinion she will never betray VR again. My FWW had to travel a few times several year ago to complete her design projects. She kept me informed on her location as well as had my phone set up to track her.

All will be well. Happy for this couple. God is good!
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My take is like before if you are going to R then DO IT. Don't hedge your bets, so if the possibility that the new job can mess that up or mess you up don't do it for now. Seriously you are basically putting your entire future into this R and you are worried about skipping a promotion? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
You might want to read my posts a little closer.

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You might want to read my posts a little closer.

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sort of like talk radio....long time caller....first time listener..,
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VR, I know it is a bit early; but, hope everything is going good with you, the ex, and son.
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VR, I know it is a bit early; but, hope everything is going good with you, the ex, and son.
Thanks for asking. We are doing okay. It's a slow process and we have made some progress. Not a whole lot to update other than I am surprised at my lack of triggers. I'm guessing that is a byproduct of the divorce and spending some time as single.

Kind of taking it a day at a time.

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Thanks for asking. We are doing okay. It's a slow process and we have made some progress. Not a whole lot to update other than I am surprised at my lack of triggers. I'm guessing that is a byproduct of the divorce and spending some time as single.

Kind of taking it a day at a time.

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I think it is also has to do with sleeping with other man's wife. but triggers mostly surface and gets stronger we you live together and everything is back to normal.
She tries repeatedly to initiate sex with me during this time. Sort of kind of succeeding once. I became very good at turning her down and it furthered her guilt about the affair and not being good enough to be a wife. Specifically my wife.

This also goes back to her upbringing and being the good Catholic girl and failing to meet that expectation.

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It is perfectly understandable why she would want to repeatedly try to initiate sex with you and it is understandable why you would want to avoid it at this time.

it is great that you are taking things slow. I'd think that it's better that you take this time to first build the emotional foundation of a relationship between the two of you. This is not exactly a new relationship in certain aspects but is a new relationship in other aspects. Most relationships do not start with the history that causes a lack of trust. So, taking this time to build that back up is a great choice that you've made. I hope she's still in therapy to work on the issues related to her sense of self worth and her guilt.

@VintageRetro How have things been coming along?
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After reading 281 pages I feel the need to give my assessment. I don't like cheaters and I started out rooting for VR. About half way through I changed my view and started rooting for Mrs VR. I got the feeling VR was more messed up than she was and was being overly stubborn with his stance. That was when I realised that his issues were much deeper than recovering from the betrayal.

I am glad VR decided to give R a go. The benefit of having a great family and what I now believe to be a keeper in the new Mrs VR will be the key to him finding himself and future happiness.
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After reading 281 pages I feel the need to give my assessment. I don't like cheaters and I started out rooting for VR. About half way through I changed my view and started rooting for Mrs VR. I got the feeling VR was more messed up than she was and was being overly stubborn with his stance. That was when I realised that his issues were much deeper than recovering from the betrayal.

I am glad VR decided to give R a go. The benefit of having a great family and what I now believe to be a keeper in the new Mrs VR will be the key to him finding himself and future happiness.
For some reason I always rooted for a reconciliation in this case, I was attacked greatly by most here for it as well early on. However the long time of separation has helped VR a lot I am sure. Had they got together much sooner it may not have been so easy.
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I just read your thread. Interesting arc. Your WW falls into a category that I sometimes think of as "unlikely cheater". Cheating isn't generally logical. That is the difficulty in trying to understand it. Understanding often involves attempting to impose a logical overlay upon a set of facts. There are some threads where the psychological path to cheating is a bit more clear. Maybe not "logical" in that choosing to betray a solemn promise made to a spouse is generally not a logical decision, but at least understandable in human terms.

Not so much with your WW. Hence the concept of "unlikely cheater". What you see in some cheating threads -- and I'll risk being called sexist here to say that this appears more often in cheating wife threads than cheating husband threads -- is a woman who enters into a vortex of some species of self-loathing. Usually it comes at a time when she is aware of having aged. The cheating isn't really cake eating. Rather, it's a subconscious palliative to attempt to quell the spiraling self-esteem. Even that, alone, is generally not enough to catalyze the actual cheating. In most cases, she would pass through that phase marriage intact. Rather, what one sees is that the actual cheating coalesced within a "perfect storm" assemblage of vectors: the low self esteem, the goading friend, the new environment, the opportunistic scumbag who utters the saccharine words, all of which is neatly compartmentalized away from the marriage. The confluence of these vectors at one point is so unlikely that virtually minutes earlier or later and it would never have happened. I've seen so many threads where WW's in these types of affairs truly do not know why they cheated. It's almost as if they watched it happen in the third person. In hindsight, the overwhelming sentiment is: "How could I be so stupid?!?"

In your WW's case, your mugging and her subsequent suspicion that the AP was behind it served as a catharsis to get her out of her head, otherwise it may have gone on longer. Have you asked her about that? Also, have you ever brought up the fact that you're not sanguine her written timeline is actually complete? For example, you expressed at one point that you believe she gave the AP a bj in the gym. And there is the question of gonorrhea and whether any/all of their sex was unprotected. FWIW, in the vast majority of threads, most or all adulterous sex is unprotected.

I would add something else. There is an element of "found out much later" to your thread. Often, one aspect of healing is the quality of the marriage between the end of the A and the Dday. In your case, I gather the marriage was good during that time frame. It matters.

As to your personal journey, I can appreciate and understand how you got to where you are. My trajectory was somewhat similar to yours, with the obverse ending. My "bodygard" was a boy around age 10 at the time of my Dday and subsequent break-up of the family. In my case, like yours, my ex remained in my life because of co-parenting. We didn't share a residence, but over time the relationship with the ex achieved a certain equilibrium and even fondness and affection. We even did some "family" stuff with the young-un. Ski trips, amusement parks, etc. At one point she made overtures about possibly reconciling. "I'd never give anybody the chance to do that to me twice," was my answer on that day. In hindsight, I might have given a different answer on a different day.

I think I gave the answer that I gave because I wasn't convinced that my ex had changed. I actually did fear a risk of recidivism because it did not appear that she had achieved any meaningful insight on what led her to cheat. I felt it would just be setting myself up for more of the same.

In your case, it does feel as if your WW has made herself into somebody new, a better version of who she was. I wish you luck. To that end, though, I wonder if you and your WW have had any discussions about her choice of Gina as a friend. Based on what we know, Gina is a true POS. What is wrong with your WW's picker? Why would she befriend an individual of such obviously low quality and poor character? I would hope that, through this, she has also improved her radar in terms of choosing friends.

By the way, the AP coming by to apologize, that's rich. I've endured a few 12-step "non-pologies" over the years. They're meaningless. Done to make the apologizer feel good about himself.
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After reading 281 pages I feel the need to give my assessment. I don't like cheaters and I started out rooting for VR. About half way through I changed my view and started rooting for Mrs VR. I got the feeling VR was more messed up than she was and was being overly stubborn with his stance. That was when I realised that his issues were much deeper than recovering from the betrayal.

I am glad VR decided to give R a go. The benefit of having a great family and what I now believe to be a keeper in the new Mrs VR will be the key to him finding himself and future happiness.
Spousal abuse (which is what cheating is, and particularly in the brutal form that VR's wife did it) will mess you up.
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Spousal abuse (which is what cheating is, and particularly in the brutal form that VR's wife did it) will mess you up.
All cheating is brutal.
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