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"Women have been sending men mixed messages for the last few decades, leaving boys utterly confused about what they are supposed to represent to women, which perhaps explains the strong language some of them use when describing their situation. As the role of breadwinner has been taken away from them by women who earn more and do better in school, men are left to intuit what to do, trying to find a virtuous mean between what women say they want and what they actually pursue, which can be very different things."


Yes, women have taken men's jobs because they can and because they do better in school. And poor men are left to figure out what to do about that. Meanwhile, women are fine, they find men they want to be with, they have their careers, and the world rocks on.
 

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“Getting laid with attractive women has become extremely hard for average men."

And thus we have the crux of the problem. Average men cannot get attractive women on a regular basis....so WAHHHHHHH!!!! Let's all take our ball and go our own way because those hot chicks will not sleep with us! WAHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

By all means, go your own way and thin out the pool for us. Your sexodus works out great for us.
 

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"Many young men literally perform a cost-benefit analysis and decide that women aren’t worth the hassle. It’s girls who lose out in this scenario: men don’t need the sustained emotional intimacy that comes with a fulfilling sexual relationship and can retreat into masturbatory pursuits, prostitution and one-night stands much more comfortably."


Um, no. Girls don't lose out in this scenario. These men should absolutely be focused on masturbation and prostitution, since normal women will want nothing to do with them. There is no girl anywhere who is sad these men are going their own way.
 

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"Men created most of what is good about the world. The excesses of masculinity are also, to be sure, responsible for much of what is bad. But if we are to avoid sliding into decline, mediocrity and a world in which men are actively discriminated against, we must arrest the decline in social attitudes towards them before so many victims are claimed that all hope of reconciliation between the sexes is lost. If that happens, it will be women who will suffer."


Again um, no. Women will not suffer as men like this remove themselves from the dating pool. They will (and do) rejoice in the streets!
 

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There is no girl anywhere who is sad these men are going their own way.
Exactly. None of us want to be with these guys anyway. They just decided to do the "you can't fire me, I quit!"

I saw this around my facebook for a while with a bunch of men liking it. Pretty much the same thing for these kind of men
 

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Most men who exist in the real world don't give a flying f*ck about other men "going their own way". They say hey, more for us. Industry will continue and the earth will continue to move on its axis. The men in my life, my brother and uncles, laugh at sites like this, and say things like, "don't they sound like the guys who we would beatup in school back in the day? Lol!"

These guys are jokes, they want to make a statement but are failing because no one gives a damn about a bunch of men with hurt feelings from being rejected by the pretty cheerleader chicks.
 

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Most men who exist in the real world don't give a flying f*ck about other men "going their own way". They say hey, more for us. Industry will continue and the earth will continue to move on its axis. The men in my life, my brother and uncles, laugh at sites like this, and say things like, "don't they sound like the guys who we would beatup in school back in the day? Lol!"

These guys are jokes, they want to make a statement but are failing because no one gives a damn about a bunch of men with hurt feelings from being rejected by the pretty cheerleader chicks.
Thanks for reinforcing the idea that men who can't get laid are inferior. Of course that isn't sexist, is it? :confused:
 

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Thanks for reinforcing the idea that men who can't get laid are inferior. Of course that isn't sexist, is it? :confused:
There's a HUGE difference between 'can't get laid' and 'can't get the attractive women they think they deserve even though they are only average themselves'

And yes, every man I know would laugh their butts off at this stuff too.

Even if these guys were attractive, their desirability would go way down because they are whiny and entitled with bad self confidence.
 

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There's a HUGE difference between 'can't get laid' and 'can't get the attractive women they think they deserve even though they are only average themselves'

And yes, every man I know would laugh their butts off at this stuff too.

Even if these guys were attractive, their desirability would go way down because they are whiny and entitled with bad self confidence.
As far as I've seen, most of the men involved in the MGTOW movement either:

1. Couldn't get laid other than by a prostitute, or
2. Are scared to death of getting taken to the cleaners for child support or divorce (if they got married), or
3. Have already been married and/or been paying child support and don't want that to happen again.

Yes, there are men who complain about not getting to scr3w the head cheerleader, but they are indeed pathetic and get very little sympathy even from other MGTOWs.

As far as I can tell, anyway.
 

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Yeah, I had an AWESOME comment typed out for the MGTOW thread. Men would have read it and felt empowered, and probably strangely attracted to other men. Wimmen would have read it and wept bitterly at how shabbily they have treated the men in their lives all these years.

Small children would have read it and liked the crayon drawings.

I accidentally deleted it before I posted it.

Doh.

Look. As a manly man, I am all about hoisting feminists on their own collective petards. They're silly people, really, none more so than the male ones.

MGTOW and the "sexodus" and "I'm taking my marbles and GOING HOME" are one of the few things in life sillier than feminism.

Confirmation bias is where you look for examples that support the idea you're trying to prove, and ignore examples that don't, and this is what anyone writing about MGTOW or the sexodus is doing..

Some of the slicker bloggers use charts and data- "A-HA! The marriage rates are declining! Must be men deciding they're tired of women's B.S."

No.

The specimens quoted or mentioned as examples of MGTOW are (obviously) guys who are UNABLE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIP. Period. Some have sworn off women entirely. Some frequent prostitutes. Some construct a facade that they just don't care. All of them use internet porn. And since they're messed up deep down inside, they look for validation, and they find it. If you want to read some bitter screeching, go read the comments on an MGTOW site. Feminist Tumblr got nothing on a bunch of lonely guys.

The "sexodus" is not any kind of movement away from women at all. Just a collection of anecdotes from, again, guys who can't find the effort to relate to a member of the opposite sex.

Women are the choosers of intimacy.

Guys are prone to hallucinations, because they usually think they're the ones choosing.

Women make the choices that lead to relationships and marriages. And they make the choices to end marriages. 80% of divorces are initiated by women.

Women choose, we're just along for the ride.

If a woman really wants a relationship, she can usually find a guy to have one with. He may not be that great of a guy. He may be a lousy guy, but he'll still be available. And SHE will be the one who chooses to have a relationship with him.

Given the changes we have made as a society, in many cases "women don't need no man," because they have put in the work to be able to support themselves. A man may be nice to have but not essential to have.

The woman in question may choose not to settle for a man of low quality (as defined by her). When enough women do this, it causes the marriage rates to fall, and a bunch of guys whom are too much trouble for a woman to have a relationship turn up and complain to anyone who will listen.

Their complaints get written up as MGTOW and the sexodus.

And that, boys and girls, is the story of how men started going their own way. I'm taking requests for the next fairy tale I explain.

Be good to the person you're in a relationship with. Be good to children borne of that relationship. Require that you partner do the same for you and yours.

If you can do those things, you probably won't have to go your own way, regardless of which sex you are.
 

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Be good to the person you're in a relationship with. Be good to children borne of that relationship. Require that you partner do the same for you and yours.

If you can do those things, you probably won't have to go your own way, regardless of which sex you are.
As long as you are attractive enough to women to attract a woman, based on attraction alone, which is true of about 20% of men, you're in good shape. Otherwise, you're scr3wed.

Was it always like this? No. In the old days, women found life very uncomfortable without men to protect and support them. Thus, they would marry men who weren't their ideal, i.e., men of roughly the same social characteristics as themselves. If they wanted a divorce, they would have social problems and money problems, so they stayed married even if it wasn't glorious.

Was that a perfect system? Obviously not, as it led to many people not being fabulously happy. But it did lead to relatively stable marriages for most men and women.

The current system is fine for most women, who can spend their twenties having fun (i.e., having sex with the hottest guys they can get to have sex with them), then when they want to settle down, around age 30, they can rope in some guy whom they wouldn't have given the time of day to previously. And of course the hot guys love it because they have an endless buffet of girls to choose from.

But this system leaves out one large segment of society: the young men who aren't that hot. They live in a sexual desert from puberty to age 30 or so, when they are finally acceptable to women who are done having fun.

At least, if they are financially able to carry the burden those women represent, especially considering the terrible student debt many of them still carry at that age.

One problem, though, is that a lot of these men dropped out of the dating scene in their early 20's when they couldn't get the time of day from any women anywhere near their level of attractiveness, as those women were interested only in the hot guys. And a lot of them also dropped out of the rat race, being content to spend their evenings drinking with their friends in the same situation, playing video games, and of course using porn instead of continuing to beat their heads against their unattractiveness to women.

So at the point that the 30-year-old women want to settle down, a lot of them can't find men to settle down with. Thus, you hear the screams of frustration of these women crying "why can't I find a good man?", meaning a man who meets their 125-point checklist.

Here is the answer I would give a women who (hypothetically) asked me that:
1. Most of them dropped out so they can't make enough money to meet your requirements.
2. Your 125-point checklist is going to dissuade any of them who have somehow managed to make enough money for you.

Of course I know this is un-PC in the extreme, but so be it.
 

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Women are the choosers of intimacy.

Guys are prone to hallucinations, because they usually think they're the ones choosing.

Women make the choices that lead to relationships and marriages. And they make the choices to end marriages. 80% of divorces are initiated by women.

Women choose, we're just along for the ride.

If a woman really wants a relationship, she can usually find a guy to have one with. He may not be that great of a guy. He may be a lousy guy, but he'll still be available. And SHE will be the one who chooses to have a relationship with him.

Given the changes we have made as a society, in many cases "women don't need no man," because they have put in the work to be able to support themselves. A man may be nice to have but not essential to have.
I haven't experienced this for myself. I've been the one wanting and they decide if they want to be with me. I chased, I wooed, I asked for well over 50% of the time.

The thing is, there are plenty of just not as appealing women out there who men can find too. They are trying to find a man, trying to woo a man, chase a man and a man can choose to be in a relationship with them.

I just don't see the dynamic where the woman has more control over that UNLESS she is significantly higher "sex rank" than he is and he is trying to chase to keep up.

I am an average woman and completely invisible. I don't think men realize that it's not all fun and games for us average women either. We just aren't noticed by anyone. They are all chasing the higher ranked women and don't even see the rest of us. That leaves us having to be the aggressors to get their attention. To provide something that makes us stand out as a good mate.

It's not any easier for us than it is for average men, the average men were just more able to use their earning potential to raise their rank before where now it's not as important to many women so they can pick who they want to.
 

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As far as I've seen, most of the men involved in the MGTOW movement either:

1. Couldn't get laid other than by a prostitute, or
2. Are scared to death of getting taken to the cleaners for child support or divorce (if they got married), or
3. Have already been married and/or been paying child support and don't want that to happen again.

Yes, there are men who complain about not getting to scr3w the head cheerleader, but they are indeed pathetic and get very little sympathy even from other MGTOWs.

As far as I can tell, anyway.
As I stated in the mgtow thread, some men love marriage and kids when the going is good, with the wifey at home baking cookies and such. But when troubles arise, is it always the demon b!tches fault? Nothing is his fault, he is the victim of society and feminism.

Problem with some men is that after they marry, all they think they need to do is show up with the paycheck. Everything else takes care of itself. Or so they think, most SAHMs make a mutual decision with the husband to put her career on hold in order to raise a family. This is a great sacrifice, and considering how MRAs cry and moan about being taken to the cleaners, she should reconsider and have kids later after she establishes her career. Then, there should be no complaints.

Considering that the birth rate is dropping, maybe women are " going their own way" in regards to bringing kids into the world. Maybe we should cling to our careers and forgo having kids until later in life, let these guys find something else to cry about.>:)
 

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As long as you are attractive enough to women to attract a woman, based on attraction alone, which is true of about 20% of men, you're in good shape. Otherwise, you're scr3wed.

This idea that only 20% of men are attractive is just ridiculous. SOME women like those big, macho guys. Others like a nice average guy with a good personality.

The current system is fine for most women, who can spend their twenties having fun (i.e., having sex with the hottest guys they can get to have sex with them), then when they want to settle down, around age 30, they can rope in some guy whom they wouldn't have given the time of day to previously. And of course the hot guys love it because they have an endless buffet of girls to choose from.

But this system leaves out one large segment of society: the young men who aren't that hot. They live in a sexual desert from puberty to age 30 or so, when they are finally acceptable to women who are done having fun.
Those men need to stop chasing the girls at the bar trying to get with the hot guys. Find the girl who sits alone at the coffee shop reading a book while she waits for the men to stop chasing the girls at the bar.
 

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Those men need to stop chasing the girls at the bar trying to get with the hot guys. Find the girl who sits alone at the coffee shop reading a book while she waits for the men to stop chasing the girls at the bar.
If that girl is not hideously unattractive, all she has to do is to smile at one of those non-hot guys.
 

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As I stated in the mgtow thread, some men love marriage and kids when the going is good, with the wifey at home baking cookies and such. But when troubles arise, is it always the demon b!tches fault? Nothing is his fault, he is the victim of society and feminism.

Problem with some men is that after they marry, all they think they need to do is show up with the paycheck. Everything else takes care of itself. Or so they think, most SAHMs make a mutual decision with the husband to put her career on hold in order to raise a family. This is a great sacrifice, and considering how MRAs cry and moan about being taken to the cleaners, she should reconsider and have kids later after she establishes her career. Then, there should be no complaints.

Considering that the birth rate is dropping, maybe women are " going their own way" in regards to bringing kids into the world. Maybe we should cling to our careers and forgo having kids until later in life, let these guys find something else to cry about.>:)
Sure, why not? Of course, then the fundamentalist religious people who have 6 or 7 children would just end up as the majority of the population in pretty short order. But what's wrong with that?
 
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