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For anyone not in the know, that means "men going their own way". Probably some other terms used. This seems to be promoted on youtube, and it is interesting to me just because that is what I have done. I am curious if you guys 'actually' know someone doing this? As I follow some of this stuff, the comments would indicate a bunch of betas feeding into this while still begging for phone numbers.

I can 100% appreciate the reasons behind this stuff such as how men as father figures is now totally disregarded in the legal system, and they are just financial resources. However, I suspect many are not MGTOW by choice. I have yet to even meet another one!

I will admit though, the ones online all seem the same.....they have been terribly burned and no longer willing even test the water.

I think the most entertaining part of this for me is all this "training" I see. How to date, how to talk to a girl, how to approach, what to say, how to hold your arms, your feet, your etc, etc, the list just keeps going! The best is how to learn to be an "alpha male".......Complete with the Brad starter kit! News flash, some people cannot be changed.
 

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I dismissed MGTOW because it’s too radical and most go monk. I like women and I like sex. I don’t want to live off the grid like Ted Kaczynski. I’m more of a red pill guy. Anti marriage, anti cohabitation, anti commingling. Just enjoy life and enjoy the company you are with.
 

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At least the stuff I saw, I don't think it was so much complete avoidance, it is just avoiding anything that includes "settling down".....I know I for one make no claims about avoiding sex, but if one talks to me about 'settling down', I set them straight real fast.
 

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One of my oldest, best friends probably qualifies. He wouldn't call himself a MGTOW but he is one. He had one long term GF when he was like 19-22 or so. She screwed him over and he never got interested in women again. I've talked to him about it a few times over the years and he just has no time for females. He says every married couple he knows is either miserable like his parents or the woman screwed her husband over. He enjoys playing video games and watching anime and has no interest in having a woman come into his life messing it up. When he feels the need, he either turns on porn or hires a pro. He hasn't had an actual date in almost 20 years.
 

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Man, that was super young to walk off the field. Is he possibly on the gay side or confused in that way? Does he have friends? It is interesting.
I really don't like to put a 'label' on it. I would not say I quit women totally, just removed the possibility of 'till death do us part'. I didn't realize I was viewed as a Chad anyway. Hell even a classmate I hung out with 2mo ago was shocked I had 2 kids. Apparently I don't look the "parent type"....whatever that is.

I just wonder how many men have actually sworn off this marriage gig. I realize some states still screw men with the "common law" BS but......
 

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Yeah, he was young. I kinda figured it was a stage he would get over really, but then he never got over it. Now, he has his life a certain way and it's all he wants. If you even mention women to him he acts like the idea of a wife is preposterous. It's kinda sad to me.

I think a lot of people never meet the real MGTOW people like him because they don't talk about it. They just go to their job and go home. He doesn't have many friends, really just me.
 

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I just wonder how many men have actually sworn off this marriage gig.
More than you can imagine. Unintended consequences. Marriage rates in the US are at 120-year lows. As I say the nice-guy may be naive but he ain't stupid.

We've covered the reasons why on threads here. But here is part of the why. Women today have a plethora of choices vs 100 years ago. Women have the upper hand in dating. its not even close. 100 years ago the woman who lived in the small village had three guys to choose from. All average guys say. Today she's got online dating to go well outside that village. Let's assume she's nice looking. those three guys from 100 years ago don't stand a chance. She's finding what she considers better prospects in a larger geographical area. eventually, she leaves the village for good.

Statistics have shown that about 80% of the women go for 20% of the men on OLDating. Think about that! OLD has nothing to do with being funny or nice or any of that other bullshyt. It's about pictures. The avg guy is a dismal failure on OLD sending out 50-100 texts for maybe one response. Are you kidding me? What idiot would do that?. these were generally the stable steady guys for marriage. This carries over into the real world. The expectations of women have risen to fantasyland proportions in their demands. they want a movie star, with big bank, 6-pack abs, and lean 6'2". This means that a guy has to be above average good-looking. The average guy is having a very difficult time in the dating market pre-30 years old. Post 30 they do better as their careers develop. In the meantime, many of these women are far ahead of these guys in terms of their sexual experience. The girls tend to settle for these post 30 average guys as Provider types. Yet the marriage-divorce machine is draconian. The women have the new rules for dating where they seek the best-looking guys and later settle for the average guy but they get the old rules for marriage.

Men are not idiots and they are waking up. This is why you get MGTOW. MGTOW appeals to the bottom 80% of men. Women control dating (who they'll go out with and be nice too) and who they'll have sex with. Fine. These women treat these average guys like crap. But men have power too. It's called commitment. They are finally realizing they hold a counterweight. Nature has a funny way of doing that. They are withholding their commitment to marriage. Can you blame them?

Marriage rates imo will plummet in the next couple of decades as our current Relic of Marriage and its Divorce Laws are abandoned. These men are not going to blow their hard-earned resources on these women who now want to settle down.
They are happier without them. they have a pretty damn good argument.
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I dont get this really, like, what movement? You want to be celibate, go for it, you want live a single life no strings attached, go for it. What's all the fuss about?
The way I see it, if you met wonder woman, marry her. If not, set sail and dock your boat wherever port you wish or none at all.

As for MGTOW apparently appealing to the '80%' of men that gets shafted in the dating game, it's not like them withholding their commitment does anything as the '20%' has all the fun without commitment anyway lol :LOL: so what counterweight?

On a serious note, I'm an average guy, and from FWBs to my ex-wife in the past to my now partner it's not like every woman is looking for a man to screw over or looks at him as nothing more than a willy and wallet combo. Many do, sure, but who cares about them once you learn how to discern who is worth investing in and who isn't.
 

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I really don't think there are all that many men that are committed to MGTOW, I think they are stuck in it! As all the average Lindas chase the Chads and convinced it will all work out.

But you are right, at least IMO, that marriage rates will continue to drop and men like me will educated the younger ones to wrap it tight and DO NOT put a ring on it! I realize women will be appalled with that but if they really don't like it, they need to advocate for more fair laws because they already have advantages just being women. Then you couple that they usually get the kids, get the house, get 50% of the 401K they did not earn as a stay at home, etc, etc.

I say this with experience from a complete ***** I was both dumb enough and lucky enough to date. Dumb that I did not follow my instinct, and lucky I did not knock her up. Her motive was to limit her baby daddy's as much as possible and always worried he would find a lesser job and she would not get as much. She is now a stay at home with another smart guy that is also a complete idiot and gave her 2 kids. They WILL get a divorce, but it will take until the kids are older, she will probably get the big new house, and he will get to do some stiff learning.

But here is what REALLY worries me. Smarter guys like me are going to walk away from this BS. However, all the illegals, project folks, and those on welfare are free to populate at will because we just throw them money. So we will literally populate the country with idiots and the smarter guys will pull back.

I make not qualms about telling people our country is getting dumber by the generation because I genuinely believe it's true!!!! Look at the damn state of our government!!!!!!!! We literally have a geriatric president that doesn't know the difference between a pen and pencil! We have absolute morons running through the streets destroying america because a drug dealer encountered a POS cop. This type of behavior will 100% continue to get worse! I have zero motivation to potentially pass on my genius IQ to offspring. It sucks but at the rates we are going, I am not sure much will matter in 100yrs anyway.
 

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As for MGTOW apparently appealing to the '80%' of men that gets shafted in the dating game, it's not like them withholding their commitment does anything as the '20%' has all the fun without commitment anyway lol :LOL: so what counterweight?
No it doesn't. But when those girls want to settle down and there are not enough of the top 20% to go around you have the counterweight. These guys were typically pushovers and still are. But things are changing as the marriage rates indicate. their point is that even though they got shafted in the dating game, they don't want to get shafted in the marriage game where they are compelled by the iron fist of the divorce machine to redistribute their assets in a divorce. it's a rational response to their value which is primarily as a wallet. Often to a woman who comes in with nothing but her mini skirt and high heels. W/holding of commitment avoids the high risk of the marriage game. They don't want to make their resources available. We are talking about the hordes of average guys who have been told that they are not good enough.

The way I see it, if you met wonder woman, marry her. If not, set sail and dock your boat wherever port you wish or none at all.
Good point. C'est la vie.
 

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Mgtow covers a lot. From not dating at all to literally just living your life on your terms and no what you are supposed to do according to society norms. I think the latter is the way to go. The roi on modern marriage is pretty low. At this stage in my life I'm not willing to risk my assets by getting married again. However I do not think avoiding women is the answer. Having boundaries, chasing excellence, and enjoying life on your own terms is.
 

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I’m not sure how big the MGTOW “movement” really is. I don’t know any MGTOW guys.
I know guys that won’t marry again, but no MGTOW monk types that have sworn off women and relationships entirely.

Going full MGTOW just seems pathetic to me, like a bunch of losers that can’t or won’t figure out how to play the game effectively so they take some kind of weird pride in quitting and dropping out of a significant part of human life.
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But you are right, at least IMO, that marriage rates will continue to drop and men like me will educated the younger ones to wrap it tight and DO NOT put a ring on it!
LOL You've never been married. But, keep chasing wrinkle creams and hair dye and blemish concealer and the most flattering fashions if that makes you happy.
 

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I have never known anyone in this "movement", probably because it is a recent phenomena fueled by OLD? Have had a lot of friends chewed up by the divorce industry, but most of them are married again so it must not have been that bad for them ( at least none complain like they did about their earlier marriages ). And the ones who aren't remarried would if they met the right one. Surely there are lonely females who don't rely on OLD, and also aren't just waiting to take advantage of some 'poor' man. Are there women who have maybe joined WGTOW? I always think that there are 3-4 billion +- women in this world, most of whom like men. Maybe the western world is not the best place to look.

If a person sees some conspiracy in why their life is how it is, it is easier than looking within. And there are plenty of opportunities on with the internet to commiserate with others feeling the same way. To each his ( or her ) own.
 

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One of my oldest, best friends probably qualifies. He wouldn't call himself a MGTOW but he is one. He had one long term GF when he was like 19-22 or so. She screwed him over and he never got interested in women again. I've talked to him about it a few times over the years and he just has no time for females. He says every married couple he knows is either miserable like his parents or the woman screwed her husband over. He enjoys playing video games and watching anime and has no interest in having a woman come into his life messing it up. When he feels the need, he either turns on porn or hires a pro. He hasn't had an actual date in almost 20 years.
My older brother is basically the same, except for the ''pro'' part, lol, (or maybe not??)

He's lived the MGTOW mindset for decades. He had no idea the concept of MGTOW until I showed him some videos and he just said, ''so, I'm not the only one, then?''. Of course, MGTOW isn't monolithic, and there's plenty of the videos that he disagrees with, but he's clearly in that camp. He's not gay, and he's content in his choices.
 

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I’m not sure how big the MGTOW “movement” really is. I don’t know any MGTOW guys.
I know guys that won’t marry again, but no MGTOW monk types that have sworn off women and relationships entirely.

Going full MGTOW just seems pathetic to me, like a bunch of losers that can’t or won’t figure out how to play the game effectively so they take some kind of weird pride in quitting and dropping out of a significant part of human life.
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I agree. They face one let down in life and can't even understand that it was only one women out of billions. They can't get over one hurtful experience without throwing in the towel. Where is people's resilience, their fortitude, their get up and go?
Sad really.
All the young men I know are actually married, going to get married or want to be married which is encouraging.
I am thankful that we didn't let former marriage break up's stop us, we have a happy marriage to show for it.
 

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In the old days the normal thought process of men was to mature, be self supporting, independent, and strong emotionally and best you could physically.

Main point was growing to an independent man, where you took life straight on.

Seems a little weak way out to create a new fad like mgtow and blame every failing on others.
 

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Hooey!

This all sounds like a lot bitter of 7-year-olds crying about how unfair life is. Then going about convincing themselves and others that society has it stacked against them and women are out to subjugate them. Appealing to fear.

Alphas don't whine.
 

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I agree. They face one let down in life and can't even understand that it was only one women out of billions. They can't get over one hurtful experience without throwing in the towel. Where is people's resilience, their fortitude, their get up and go?
Sad really.
All the young men I know are actually married, going to get married or want to be married which is encouraging.
I am thankful that we didn't let former marriage break up's stop us, we have a happy marriage to show for it.
I always think about you Brits facing the Blitz alone anytime hear complaints about how tough life is. What an example of what the human spirit can achieve!
 

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In the old days the normal thought process of men was to mature, be self supporting, independent, and strong emotionally and best you could physically.

Main point was growing to an independent man, where you took life straight on.

Seems a little weak way out to create a new fad like mgtow and blame every failing on others.
In Ancient times a man had to be self-supporting and independent before mating was possible. Marriage was arranged, and before a man was considered by the bride's family he had to be able to support a family.
 
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