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1. SPONTANEOUS SEXUAL DESIRE
Spontaneous sexual desire is exactly what it sounds like. It shows up instantly, with or without stimulation. Nagoski notes 75% of men experience spontaneous desire, as well as 15% of women. When it comes to Marcie and Joe, Joe falls into the “75% of men” category.

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This means 25% of men and the vast majority of women, 85%, do not experience spontaneous desire.

Spontaneous sexual desire as a prerequisite for sex supports a linear view of sexuality dating back to the late 1970s. In fact, researchers did not include desire on the spectrum of human sexuality until Helen Kaplan Singer created the Triphasic Model of the human sexual response cycle. Singer included three distinct phases: desire, excitement, and orgasm, with desire as the entry point.

So how do 85% of women experience sexual pleasure or “excitement” if they do not experience spontaneous desire? Nagoski noted two other types of desire that women more often fall into: responsive and contextual.

2. RESPONSIVE SEXUAL DESIRE
Responsive sexual desire is when desire shows up in response to stimulation, meaning something sexy happens and the body responds. Marcie falls more into this category. When Joe initiates, her mind and body enjoy the stimulation, and desire—or “wanting more of that feeling”—activates.

Nagoski found 5% of men and 30% of women experience responsive desire, meaning these folks, like Marcie, need more than a sexy thought to “want” sex.

Yet there remains a large percentage of women and a smaller percentage of men who do not fall into the responsive desire category, either.

3. CONTEXTUAL SEXUAL DESIRE
Contextual sexual desire is when the circumstances and environment impact the ability to feel sexual desire. Think about what it’s like to drum up desire when your kids are in the next room, you feel stressed out by financial burdens, or you just ate a huge steak dinner. Sex may not be the first thing on your mind.

Nagoski notes most people, regardless of gender, fall within a blend of responsive and contextual desire, but for some, desire can feel spontaneous. They simply may not be aware of the other factors at play. For many individuals, context matters.

Marcie felt confused when she learned about the “universe of desire” because she always considered herself a non-sexual person. In therapy, our work focused on normalizing how she experienced desire—not as a flaw, an inadequacy, or something wrong with her, but as perfectly normal.

This work helped her shift her sexual self-concept so she could see herself as a woman capable of desire, lust, and erotic energy. It also helped her recognize she did indeed experience desire, just not in the same way Joe did.

Our work also helped Joe better understand how Marcie’s desire worked. He learned to view both responses as healthy and normal. This helped Joe depersonalize Marcie’s lack of sexual advancements and see himself as desirable.

Together, they embraced their differences and worked on improving how to meet each other’s natural sexual responses.

 

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Nagoski found 5% of men and 30% of women experience responsive desire, meaning these folks, like Marcie, need more than a sexy thought to “want” sex.
Bullsh-t 5% though. Check out the "what makes sexy" thread at the clubhouse.

Most men would respond to what I posted including those who didn't admit it :p
 

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Bullsh-t 5% though. Check out the "what makes sexy" thread at the clubhouse.

Most men would respond to what I posted including those who didn't admit it :p
I think what she means (terrible book by the way) is that they only or mainly experience responsive desire aka they rarely or never have spontaneous desire instead they require the external stimulation. In that case 5% makes sense to me. I think about sex 2+ times a day with no stimuli whatsoever.
 

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I think what she means (terrible book by the way) is that they only or mainly experience responsive desire aka they rarely or never have spontaneous desire instead they require the external stimulation. In that case 5% makes sense to me. I think about sex 2+ times a day with no stimuli whatsoever.
Sex doesn't usually occur to me unless I'm either triggered or I have a nice big steak.
Actually the steak is what prompted this thread :cautious:
I do experience spontaneous desires sometimes, like in the morning. Would I still be that 5%?

What other books/articles do you recommend?
 

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Sex doesn't usually occur to me unless I'm either triggered or I have a nice big steak.
Actually the steak is what prompted this thread :cautious:
I do experience spontaneous desires sometimes, like in the morning. Would I still be that 5%?

What other books/articles do you recommend?
I think if you regularly experience spontaneous desire you’re not in the 5%.

So her work is mainly on women’s sexuality, that book I found borderline unreadable.

I’d say these days my wife has spontaneous desire where she has a plan to screw maybe once a month.

It’s unusual enough that I’m surprised by it and I can tell it is different and I suspect hormone driven. You notice she considers only 15% of women to be driven by spontaneous desire and my wife certainly is not.

In your case, men’s testosterone peaks in the early morning hours so it’s possible yours is hormonal as well.

For me I think about sex all the time and am ready to go pretty much any time and even if I am in physical pain. Even something like a bad headache, fatigue, etc… I will still be thinking about it.
 

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I think if you regularly experience spontaneous desire you’re not in the 5%.

So her work is mainly on women’s sexuality, that book I found borderline unreadable.

I’d say these days my wife has spontaneous desire where she has a plan to screw maybe once a month.

It’s unusual enough that I’m surprised by it and I can tell it is different and I suspect hormone driven. You notice she considers only 15% of women to be driven by spontaneous desire and my wife certainly is not.

In your case, men’s testosterone peaks in the early morning hours so it’s possible yours is hormonal as well.

For me I think about sex all the time and am ready to go pretty much any time and even if I am in physical pain. Even something like a bad headache, fatigue, etc… I will still be thinking about it.
Ex-wife was spontaneous and it became a chore scratching her back.

Last ex was probably more responsive, but she was like pringles, once I pop I couldn't stop.
Had to be careful not to trigger her unless I intended to go all the way.

I'm mostly trying to figure out... me :unsure:
So I guess this article/book is useless.
 

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Contextual desire is definitely real as real gets.

You take 3 women out to the quiet cove beach in the boat and they will be all calm, collected, and reserved. Then you boat on over to the party cove where the loud music and party is flowing with girls dancing on back the boats…. Those 3 women in your boat will have a totally different vibe.
Chicks are totally responsive to their environment.
 

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I experience all types of desire listed regularly as a female, so...

Chicks are totally responsive to their environment. Many dead bedrooms could be fixed if the dude would just understand this response instead of insisting “she should want me”.
I've spent a bit of time on a dead bedroom forum. A lot of posters try taking their partners on mini-vacations and even expensive full trips in an attempt to spawn desire for sex. Nearly always fails. Maybe a 5% success rate. And even then the sex seems to happen once and that's it for weeks/months. Plus you get the impression from the stories that the sex they had was duty sex because they're on a trip and sex is expected.

Most sexless relationships seem to fall into these categories

1) Low Libido in general. Just not into sex.

2) Low Libido for YOU. The "low libido" person is simply not attracted sexually to their partner, but they want to keep the relationship due to emotional attachment, for stability, kids, finances, etc.

3) Low Libido because their partner did a BIG BAD and their attraction died.
 

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I experience all types of desire listed regularly as a female, so...


I've spent a bit of time on a dead bedroom forum. A lot of posters try taking their partners on mini-vacations and even expensive full trips in an attempt to spawn desire for sex. Nearly always fails. Maybe a 5% success rate. And even then the sex seems to happen once and that's it for weeks/months. Plus you get the impression from the stories that the sex they had was duty sex because they're on a trip and sex is expected.

Most sexless relationships seem to fall into these categories

1) Low Libido in general. Just not into sex.

2) Low Libido for YOU. The "low libido" person is simply not attracted sexually to their partner, but they want to keep the relationship due to emotional attachment, for stability, kids, finances, etc.

3) Low Libido because their partner did a BIG BAD and their attraction died.
I reviewed my statement and uuummmm. Yeah you right !!!! Last statement has been removed 👍
 

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I do also feel like most people are a mix of all 3 and that the underlying dynamics at play don't get enough attention.

For example, you can take your wife on a weekend trip to try and fix the dead bedroom but you're not changing any of the dynamics she finds unattractive. You're still talking to the waiter in the same way, probably still telling the same boring stories, still hitting on her in the same way. Still reacting to her and carrying yourself the same. So of course it's not going to change much.

The more successful people I think often know the dynamics that turn them on and how to behave in ways that genuinely turn their partner on as well. It's not all just about physical type.
 

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I think a lot of women and some men, something happens that crosses a line for them and it bursts the whole love bubble.

But then there are other types of people who can and will have sex no matter how much damage has been done to the relationship or even how much attraction they've lost. Of course at that point you're just using each other as a sex appliance.

The rare times I've heard about it, it puzzles me when a person is complaining about their partner non-stop about everything they don't do right and things they do to them that are just mean, but then turn around and say how frustrated they are that he or she also doesn't want to have sex. I don't get why anyone would want to have sex with someone who was treating them bad or even if it didn't rise to that level and they just weren't meeting the bare minimum.
 
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