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Sorry man. :(

Push the divorce through as quickly as possible. Get it done while she's still in her fog and before OM dumps her like a hot rock.

And, while it might sound heartless, it kind of sucks for you (from a purely financial perspective) that you adopted her kid, because you're going to wind up being forced to pay child support now.
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True, but he will have a father that loves him and he never will forget that.
 
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So very sorry this has happened. You sound like you're in the right place though. Good for you for putting an end to her hold on you and doing what you needed to do.

Do you have a plan for when her doctor dumps her? ie to stay strong and not take her back?
Thank you. About an hour away from 24 hours of not talking for the first time. Just dropped our son off at her mothers house and thankfully she was not downstairs when I dropped him off (we are splitting up the time with him not until there is a signed agreement.) Knowing myself, with each passing day I will come to realize what many of you already know reading this from the outside of my relationship. In addition to the steps I am taking I just need a bit more time on my side. I am at the point now where I start to miss "us" I just think of what she did or the many lies that came with it to snap myself out of it. As anyone would be in my situation I am pissed off she is sleeping with someone else - but I think about what I doormat I did become and this guy let alone the next isn't going to put up with half of what I did for the better part of us. A week or two ago I would tell you I hope she regrets every last thing she did to me, to us and to our family. But given who she is today, I don't think that is likely and I am not going to rely on that to piece together my life and my sons life.
 
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You have to wonder as quick as this happened were you set up for this after the adoption of her child was complete?
I don't think so. But it is very strange. Her mother told me through this process that when she was dating when he was 12-24 months she used to ask her mother what she thought of that man and if she thought they would make a good father because she didn't want someone around her son that wouldn't. I don't think she was on the search for a father, I sincerely know she loves her son and wanted the best for him. Our relationship was great for 5 years. She was devoted, committed, trustworthy and cared. But she our relationship was tested (by a move and struggle with her job) that is all it took. Thankfully that happened now, and not years down the road when someone is sick in the hospital or worse.
 
She upgrades up...See the pattern.

She's a great friend but from what you say, she's looking for upward mobility to better her lifestyle.

She kept you around for plan B if Mr. perfect ditched her. Once it was a go, you were shown the door, hence zero remorse.

Did you adopt her child? If not, and if OM is looking to push you out of the picture completely, you might never get to see the kid again.

Get with a lawyer and explore all your options on custody.
 
True, but he will have a father that loves him and he never will forget that.
Ideally it would be the bio-dad (or, at the very least, the mother's next husband) that does that instead of some poor schmuck that got rope-a-doped into doing it.
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Reconciliation is only an option if she has some remourse. Not just sorry she got caught.

You like the typical Nice Guy doormat would jump in immediately and probably fail.

Why? No respect, plus it takes two and she would have a lot of heavy lifting on her part and you've already set the tone to her of who you are.

If she were to come around could you find your balls and be a man???????

That's the key. A reconciliation wich is on your terms and your time table.

Unless you suck it up rugsweep the affair and live your life as her doormat on her terms.

This is the thing. Can you live with the fact of her betrayal and dumping you for a full out sexual affair wit OM? All the lying hiding and denying behind your back on hat went with it???
You are right. I know this is all true - and can I say based on my recent responses and actions towards her that I would have the balls to put in place what you are saying right now if she picked up the phone and wanted to make this work? Yesterday, I would have done it. Today, I know I can't. And this is the first 24 hours I haven't been hoping to hear from her via phone, text, etc. Something started to click over the past day where I know I wasted so much time letting her disrespect me and go back and forth while I was willing to accept, forgive and try to make this work. She walked all over me, she showed no respect to me or our son and now its time to get myself through this, stronger, better than before this happened and only at that time reevaluate life. In the meantime, who is sleeping on the pillow next to her when she is over at his house may have changed, but she hasn't. She spent no time looking at what she did and at the end of the day she was the one that had the serious problems. So that won't last long and if it does it doesn't mean she will truly be happy. She will realize at some point what she did, even if she continues to place her blame elsewhere to justify her actions. At that time, it will either be too late, or she's going to have to show me how things will be different for the rest of our life. Knowing myself, I will have found someone by that time that will be better for me. But for now, I am not jumping into anything. Just focused on me and my son and getting ready for our new home we move into on June 1.
 
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. IMO, anyone dealing with a cheater would be well advised to become informed re the Cluster B personality disorders. Also,research Hypergamy and Briffault's Law.
or, She is just a bad person. The above, which I do not understand or care to understand, implies that she has a disease/disorder and therefore is not at fault.
 
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Cheaterspeak. To justify an affair the cheater will rewrite history.

You were a bad husband, father, it was all 100% your fault that she went out and had sex with OM

Cheaterscript is always the same. Your problem is common. Not unique at all. Read a few and you'll see what I mean.

You will be blamed for etc. working on that gets you nowhere in an affair. Hence you can never nice them back

I bet you didn't do any exposure of the affair either did you?

Typical nice guy approach. Affairs thrive only in secret, hidden and in the dark. Exposure shows it for what it is. A lot live in fear of losing them but they are already gone. It's you're only weapon.
The issue here is the people she "respects" on her side, friends wise, know she did this. Were telling her she shouldn't be doing this and needed to "pick one" and became so exhausted by what she did they don't talk to her about her personal relationships anymore. Her best friend, who was her bridesmaid has told her she doesn't want to be friends with her anymore and her behavior is very damaging. This is someone she has been very close to most of her life. She has no father, and her mother is an "enabler" if you will. She wants to avoid confrontation with her daughter at all costs, has tried to say things, but at the cost of losing her relationship with her only child has avoided the conversation. I am disappointed in her mother, however her daughter will not listen or welcome what she has to say. She would shut down immediately. I have started telling our friends, the majority of which are on my side. They are very disappointed in her, they accepted her because she was with me and have started shutting down on her (I don't want this to sound childish but they have started unfriending her on Facebook for instance) which my wife did notice and upset her. But for those that have started reaching out to my wife, my wife has not returned their calls or texts (including our good friend who married us who has not been able to reach her)
 
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OP, why did you sign a lease on a new house? Did YOU leave the house? You should have kicked her out.

As for exposure, it is not worth the added stress unless you want her back. If you are divorcing, exposure does little except for revenge. Let her stay in the fog while you get better divorce terms.
Short version, we were in another state for a short period, she left with our son and returned to our home state without permission. I worked with my job to move back - since she is staying with her mother, not at a home we share I have started to ensure next steps are properly in place at the advice of my attorney. It isn't abandonment because of what she has done and where she went. A decision she didn't make with me which she should have.
 
You are right. I know this is all true - and can I say based on my recent responses and actions towards her that I would have the balls to put in place what you are saying right now if she picked up the phone and wanted to make this work? Yesterday, I would have done it. Today, I know I can't. And this is the first 24 hours I haven't been hoping to hear from her via phone, text, etc. Something started to click over the past day where I know I wasted so much time letting her disrespect me and go back and forth while I was willing to accept, forgive and try to make this work. She walked all over me, she showed no respect to me or our son and now its time to get myself through this, stronger, better than before this happened and only at that time reevaluate life. In the meantime, who is sleeping on the pillow next to her when she is over at his house may have changed, but she hasn't. She spent no time looking at what she did and at the end of the day she was the one that had the serious problems. So that won't last long and if it does it doesn't mean she will truly be happy. She will realize at some point what she did, even if she continues to place her blame elsewhere to justify her actions. At that time, it will either be too late, or she's going to have to show me how things will be different for the rest of our life. Knowing myself, I will have found someone by that time that will be better for me. But for now, I am not jumping into anything. Just focused on me and my son and getting ready for our new home we move into on June 1.
The truth is sometimes cold and harsh. You do understand now that her blaming you was used to justify her affair? This is common and easily recognized here. Sorry you didn't find TAM earlier.

Once you've gotten your manhood back your life will change for the better and YOU can make your future what you want it to be.

Wasting time on this probably has no value to you. Sorry
 
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She upgrades up...See the pattern.

She's a great friend but from what you say, she's looking for upward mobility to better her lifestyle.

She kept you around for plan B if Mr. perfect ditched her. Once it was a go, you were shown the door, hence zero remorse.

Did you adopt her child? If not, and if OM is looking to push you out of the picture completely, you might never get to see the kid again.

Get with a lawyer and explore all your options on custody.
Yes I adopted him. My attorney (who is one of the best in the state) says this is a clear cut case. At best she gets 50/50. There is no child support the way the separation agreement is being written. I will take his bills and pay directly to the vendors. Not something you typically see but given where she is at and how she has been handling finances the attorneys are going to put this into place.
 
I would first like to thank everyone in advance for their time reading this and for their honest feedback. I have spent a few weeks reading everything I could get my hands onto online. I could probably guess what much of the feedback will be since many stories aren't that different. But I am interested in hearing from everyone. Those of you that have been betrayed and those of you that have betrayed your spouses. Please understand, while I know what I should do and what I might be doing for next steps may seem cut and dry I do love this person for so many different reasons. But I am also still dealing with the tremendous disappointment of what has been done to me and my son.

The best way I can summarize this:

5 years ago I met a friend. She was an incredible friend and we became best friends. We did everything together, and we dated separate people. She had just turned 21 and I had just turned 25. She had a 24 month old baby boy from a previous relationship with an individual who started using heroine and quickly disappeared from her life. We instantly hit it off, gave each other dating advice, had each others backs and were there for each other. Not before long, we realized what we were looking for was right in front of us. We fell and fell hard for each other, and one of the first words her son ever said was "dad" - to me. He is my son now, he always will be, I adopted him, I love him, and he is the greatest thing that ever happened to me. He turns 7 in July.

We had a very non-traditional relationship, as many are now days. With that said, we didn't get engaged until 2014 and we married in the summer of 2015. I never thought I would marry my best friend - whom I trusted with absolutely everything in my life. But I did and it was the greatest gift along with my son I have ever received.

We had a rocky post-marriage. We moved for work, my wife didn't get the job she was expecting, I was extremely focused on work, and I did not meet her emotional needs and the attention she deserved. I know the courtship never ends, and I let my best friend down. She believes she was communicating this to me the best way she knew how but she didn't get through to me. Like many of the stories, it was too late by the time she got through to me. I would like to say in advance of what I am telling you next, this is not an excuse for her actions, its an understanding and acceptance that I became complacent in my relationship.

We were married in June. In November my wife came home with her ring on her right hand. For the first time ever something was really off and I looked at her phone. I found what no one wants to find: photos of her and another man in her recently deleted photo folder. It turns out she met someone in September and what started as an affair quickly grew into a longer term affair. In November, when she said she was serious about making this relationship work and ending what she did, I took her word for it. But certain things I wanted to see her do she wasn't doing. And while I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, I was right. She continued the affair. I am a very forgiving person, especially for the person that I saw as the love of my life and I would do anything for. I read how difficult affairs could be to break from, so I tried to support her and work with her so we could reconcile. Unfortunately, the hold of her affair on her grew stronger and stronger by the day. Fast forward to the end of February this year - I caught my wife lying and cheating with the same affair partner again. This time, she said she no longer wanted to be married and she wanted to be with her affair partner. She said she can't explain what its like with him but that she doesn't want to look back wondering what might have been with him. I am 30, my wife is 25 and our son is turning 7. Her affair partner is around 41, approximately 16 years older than her. He is a doctor and your typical bachelor that lives in a one bedroom apartment, owns nice cars and wines and dines his women. He is known for this, but of course she is in the "we are meant to be together" phase. It would be easier to break through permafrost.

After processing everything, I spent a ton of time in shock, begging and pleading for her to come back which lasted a very long time. I know this is not my fault, she should have never done this and there were real options she could have taken if she were miserable. She is not the person that I know. She has had her fair of issues in our relationship, but they were all ones I understood made her who she was and embraced and loved.

In recent days I hired a divorce attorney, put in for a lease on a new house and have done everything I can to clear my head of the usual things a betrayed spouse goes through. What she did was terrible. What she is doing is terrible. But with that said, it is a miserable thing to watch your best friend go through. (Yes, I know I need to be selfish, focus on myself and think about me, and so on.) But I married her for a reason and to see her in a place in her life I never have breaks my heart as much as what she did to me.

I am not looking for anything to be validated. I am not looking for anyone to tell me anything specific. I think I wanted to come on here because I respect what you all talk about, sharing my story is helping me through this process. And I just want to be part of a community that has dealt with what I am dealing with. I understand stuff happens in life which is why I welcome comments from any side of this situation you might have been on. Could I reconcile with her? Sure, if she showed me concrete changes and how we could use what happened to make our relationship stronger and affair proof in the future. But one of the real reasons I came on here today was because I am almost 24 hours into ending any contact with her - with the exception of anything that might come up with our son. I made clear he will not be used as a pawn for conversation and we have an initial plan until the separation is written and complete - so we should be able to avoid that. But I needed to start to get my integrity and self esteem back - and respect - which I through away during this process when I was the one that was betrayed.

One thing that has really hurt me through this process is that she has shown 0 emotion or remorse for her actions. She was basically in parallel relationships until she said she wanted the marriage to end. So I can see how someone might be keeping everything inside or not feeling anything at all since she is living this fantasy. But after I came in her life, became best friends, became the father to her child, adopted him, and supporter her through everything over the last 5 years - her lack of awareness/logic/respect and everything else I felt was deserved is gone. And I get it, that was gone the moment she cheated on me.

Sorry for the rambling. I am a great husband, a great dad, a really good hearted person. I am hurting but doing everything I can to make sure our son has an adult in his life right now and doesn't have an even more difficult life than he already has. Thanks, sincerely, for reading this.
She'll pretend to show remorse. When dr fantastic moves on to Mrs. next and your son asks her why she's not living with daddy any more.

And by then it will be too late and you'll be dating someone new.

I hope.
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I say go fast with the divorce.
While she is agreeing to 50/50 custody. As fast as you can while she is still in the fog.

If she ever speaks to an attorney or starts getting her senses in order she will be on the defensive and may cost you alto more.

In these early stages she is quick to end the your marriage.
And she will most likely agree to any arrangements even if it is to your advantage.

Married Summer of 2015 that just recent, try Annulment instead of divorce.

Please continue to speak with an attorney. and dont tell her about you speaking to attorney.
 
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