[Anastasia6]

Women are far less content now than their mothers and grandmothers were.

Why would that make men happy?

Really? I’m far happier than my mother or grandmother ever was.

howdo you know these women are less happy?

my mother didn’tbroadcast her unhappiness until almost her death bed. When she was married to my dad she just didn’t j have options. Once they divorced she didn’t want options. She was done with men. She had spent her life as a SAHM at my fathers choice.

the one job she had that would have led somewhere he told her to quit.

 

[Sisyphus11]

Really? I’m far happier than my mother or grandmother ever was.

howdo you know these women are less happy?

my mother didn’tbroadcast her unhappiness until almost her death bed. When she was married to my dad she just didn’t j have options. Once they divorced she didn’t want options. She was done with men. She had spent her life as a SAHM at my fathers choice.

the one job she had that would have led somewhere he told her to quit.

This is why research exists.

It is a well studied phenomenon.
Women entering the workforce has made men and women far less happy.

 

[lifeistooshort]

Let me try again. (In my therapist persona, which is modelled on Hannibal Lecter.)

Someone in that age range, man or woman, is past the baby-making or career-building stage. Their task now is to make sense of the fact that they, and everyone they love, is going to die. A younger partner may be their way to deny that fact for a while. A denial of ageing. It's hard for women, because they tend to live longer.

I know this was true with my ex. He was having a terrible time aging and used the fact that I was 19 years younger to pretend he was too.

 

[lifeistooshort]

Let them eat cake. Kidding...kind of I guess. But I can't really say I feel sorry for guys in their 40s and 50s that are having difficulty finding someone. One must recalibrate their market value every five to ten years IMO, and adjust whom you pursue accordingly. You have to be realistic. Not knowing your value only means you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.

I have seen a lot of anecdotal evidence in this thread implying that average men in their 40s and 50s are faring better than average women in their 40s and 50s. I think people are comparing elite men's market value in their 40s and 50s to the average woman in her 40s and 50s. That really isn't apples to apples. The average guys I know aren't out here winning the dating game. They're mostly just complaining that there aren't any woman out there, because they don't want the ones that would be interested in them.

But if men in their 40’s and 50’s are fairing better then women of that age why would they be complaining that there are no women out there?

 

[lifeistooshort]

Really? I’m far happier than my mother or grandmother ever was.

howdo you know these women are less happy?

my mother didn’tbroadcast her unhappiness until almost her death bed. When she was married to my dad she just didn’t j have options. Once they divorced she didn’t want options. She was done with men. She had spent her life as a SAHM at my fathers choice.

the one job she had that would have led somewhere he told her to quit.

Red pill "research" clearly knows way better then you what you think. Those guys are masters of statistics, lol.

Us women need to :"educate" ourselves on our happiness.

 

[Personal]

This is why research exists.

It is a well studied phenomenon.
Women entering the workforce has made men and women far less happy.

Meanwhile in the real world, there have always been lots of women who always worked. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be the idle wealthy.

For example, my grandmother (on my mothers side), an English working class woman, had jobs and was employed since she was a teenager till she retired. While her mother, who was a Scottish woman, had also always worked, from when she was a child till not long before her death of old age. Then so on and so on.

And for the record, my wife is glad she has an education and a good professional career, and so am I. And we're happy with that and are far better off for it as well.

 

[DaringGreatly]

Women know instinctively that men focus overwhelmingly on looks (markers of fertility).

If you have ever seen the colour drain out of a mans face when you tell him your period is late you know very well that 'fertility' is not why most men crave sex. Men want orgasms and validation - both from the women he is having sex with and the men he is going to brag to about it. Thats why men have a numbers rating for women to make the whole validation process more satifying.

On the other hand, for a guy to knock a woman's sox off on first sight...he has to be an upper 10/20% looking guy.

You will notice in the mens clubhouse there is a post about what are a mans favourite body parts of a women are but in the ladies lounge there is no corresponding thread. Almost all the women I know, including myself, look for a fully functioning adult who has his life together and not a man looking for a hook up or a mommy to take care of him.

We don't need a man to 'lead us' or treat us like children. We need a man who can do HIS share of the relationship - its hard to see that in a profile picture.

 

[Sisyphus11]

Meanwhile in the real world, there have always been lots of women who always worked. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be the idle wealthy.

For example, my grandmother (on my mothers side), an English working class woman, had jobs and was employed since she was a teenager till she retired. While her mother, who was a Scottish woman, had also always worked, from when she was a chil,d till not long before her death of old age. Then so on and so on.

And for the record, my wife is glad she has an education and a good professional career, and so am I. And we're happy with that and are far better off for it as well.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills here.

Does no one understand the concept of anecdotal?

 

[Anastasia6]

I feel like I am taking crazy pills here.

Does no one understand the concept of anecdotal?

Yes I think I do. I’m sure you can explain it to me. The statistics teacher.

anyone understand research bias?

in addition in a question so complex even if true you couldn’t adequately state why.

many people are unhappy in the last 3 years. That has less to do with gender roles than Pandemic issues and economics.

 

[hamadryad]

I know some people wax fondly at the June Cleavers and Brady Bunch stuff, but anyone would have to have rocks in their head to think that women had it better in the old days vs now...I mean, sure, not every woman was miserable and abused with no options, but a good portion were...Every woman in my family was, that's for sure..

Options at least give you the opportunity to seek happiness...As anyone knows, it doesn't guarantee anything, but when your only option is to be out on the street, penniless and without the essential elements of basic survival, then you are stuck...You have to take it on the chin...

 

[ReformedHubby]

But if men in their 40’s and 50’s are fairing better then women of that age why would they be complaining that there are no women out there?

I was referring to the men that check all the boxes in my post, I used the word elite. I don't think those men are complaining. When it comes to threads like these I think when posters say that older men are out here having the time of their lives single, they are referring to the "elite" men. However one defines that. I think "regular" guys are complaining just as much about not being able to find anyone.

 

[wolfstooth]

Hello,
I’m 35 years old and past my “prime years”. As a woman who’s getting older, I don’t feel attractive and desired by men. I think it’s normal since I don’t look 20 anymore.

The other day a college aged guy gave me a compliment on my hair. My hair wasn’t even all that great but I felt good, as it’s been long since I don’t receive compliments. There’s also another guy who is young. He’s the son of a female co worker and he hugs me when he says hi to me. It just seems that younger guys are more friendly than men around my age or older.

I’ve heard that young guys have fantasies about having sex with an older woman at least once in their lifetime. But why is it that older men don’t see women in their 30s, 40s and 50s attractive? Look, I get the whole biology thing. I know younger women are more attractive and fertile but I still don’t understand why an older woman is unnoticed.

Aren’t you attracted to maturity? We might not be a bombshell but we have our **** together at least. Also, a lot of 20 year olds still have baby faces and look like teens and I ask myself: “Why is a 40 year old attracted to a girl and not a woman?” I feel like older woman look more womanly and classy even in the way they dress. I know not all are attractive but the ones that stay fit and take care of themselves.

Men also complain that older women are bitter. I don’t think we become bitter on purpose and if you think about it, it makes sense that some of us become like that. Men get more attractive with age so they don’t have to worry about becoming undesirable like us. How can we be enthusiastic about dating and life in general if society and MEN put younger women on a pedestal all the time? Some people even think at 30 a woman is already “too old”. Can you imagine how ****ty that is to a woman?

And last but not least, older women are more confident in bed, yet it still doesn’t do it for men. Only the younger men fantasize about older women while older men don’t look at us that much. Can you explain me why?? I just wish we were appreciated more by men our age or older.

Hello,
I’m 35 years old and past my “prime years”. As a woman who’s getting older, I don’t feel attractive and desired by men. I think it’s normal since I don’t look 20 anymore.

The other day a college aged guy gave me a compliment on my hair. My hair wasn’t even all that great but I felt good, as it’s been long since I don’t receive compliments. There’s also another guy who is young. He’s the son of a female co worker and he hugs me when he says hi to me. It just seems that younger guys are more friendly than men around my age or older.

I’ve heard that young guys have fantasies about having sex with an older woman at least once in their lifetime. But why is it that older men don’t see women in their 30s, 40s and 50s attractive? Look, I get the whole biology thing. I know younger women are more attractive and fertile but I still don’t understand why an older woman is unnoticed.

Aren’t you attracted to maturity? We might not be a bombshell but we have our **** together at least. Also, a lot of 20 year olds still have baby faces and look like teens and I ask myself: “Why is a 40 year old attracted to a girl and not a woman?” I feel like older woman look more womanly and classy even in the way they dress. I know not all are attractive but the ones that stay fit and take care of themselves.

Men also complain that older women are bitter. I don’t think we become bitter on purpose and if you think about it, it makes sense that some of us become like that. Men get more attractive with age so they don’t have to worry about becoming undesirable like us. How can we be enthusiastic about dating and life in general if society and MEN put younger women on a pedestal all the time? Some people even think at 30 a woman is already “too old”. Can you imagine how ****ty that is to a woman?

And last but not least, older women are more confident in bed, yet it still doesn’t do it for men. Only the younger men fantasize about older women while older men don’t look at us that much. Can you explain me why?? I just wish we were appreciated more by men our age or older.

I’ve always desired women my own age, within a couple years plus or minus
Never wanted women that were much older or younger
Men are all different, just like women aren’t all the same
Some men like older women some men like younger women

 

[Enigma32]

Red pill "research" clearly knows way better then you what you think. Those guys are masters of statistics, lol.

Us women need to :"educate" ourselves on our happiness.

It's a well-known, documented phenomenon that has been talked about for years. It's not "Red Pill Research."

The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness

 

[thenerdguy]

Here is my prospective from an older guy in my 40s.

When I was younger I was attracted to women of all ages, however I saw older women as sex objects and not relationship material. I would sleep with them but would never commit to them. I ended up getting married to a younger women. Now years later, if I found myself single it would be reversed. I would view younger women as sex objects but would never commit with them, and I would be looking for a women a little less my age and hopefully if she had kids they are not young.

 

[UpsideDownWorld11]

Women are praised for their beauty, men are praised for the size of their um... wallet. It's the natural order of things.

On a anthropological level, men innately seek a partner with the best reproductive chances (in reality this is curbed by sociological and financial constraints) so younger women are more desirable since their fertility chances are highest.

Women otoh seek provisioning since it's the best chance of survival of their offspiring. This typically excludes many young males.

Men have limited options when young. Once they reach 30's or 40's and due to divorce or avoiding marriage, their options increase. Women in reverse have a lot of options when young that naturally decline with age.

 

[hamadryad]

Women are praised for their beauty, men are praised for the size of their um... wallet. It's the natural order of things.

On a anthropological level, men innately seek a partner with the best reproductive chances (in reality this is curbed by sociological and financial constraints) so younger women are more desirable since their fertility chances are highest.

Women otoh seek provisioning since it's the best chance of survival of their offspiring. This typically excludes many young males.

Men have limited options when young. Once they reach 30's or 40's and due to divorce or avoiding marriage, their options increase. Women in reverse have a lot of options when young that naturally decline with age.

Old school mentality,..... For the most part, this trend has been dying for some time and will continue to do so, IMO

I am sure a lot of guys whining that they can't get with any women have no financial problems...I know a few guys like this...They have all kinds of resources, yet couldn't get laid in a cat house on dollar night...They just don't bring anything else to the table, and women are no longer worried that they wont have a roof over their heads or eat if they don't latch onto a man...

And consider this as well...Even some young(and not so young) women, who couldn't hold down a job pushing a broom at the local market, could use the internet to make a dollar...Its not anything to be proud of or anything, but its something that wasn't available until recently and something that guys can't generally do...

I think a lot of guys need to wake up and smell the coffee...You can't just "show up" to this game and expect women to fall at your feet because you have a job and a pension.....They have more options now than they aver did...I still believe that a man that is successful is more desired, but that's pretty obvious...But bring little to nothing else to the table and they'll struggle mightily...seen it happen...

I know plenty of divorced middle aged women that are reasonable looking, have decent jobs, their own houses, their own stuff, money in the bank, etc...How is a like aged guy at an advantage? If anything, the woman still has some edge because, if they haven't gone completely to hell, they can use their sexuality to work for them...Again, most guys can't pull that off at the same level..

Oh, I am sure there are still parts of this world where women have little or no options and so I guess if one were inclined I suppose that may be an option, but here in the US things have changed dramatically, in my lifetime, anyway..

 

[Numb26]

Women are praised for their beauty, men are praised for the size of their um... wallet. It's the natural order of things.

On a anthropological level, men innately seek a partner with the best reproductive chances (in reality this is curbed by sociological and financial constraints) so younger women are more desirable since their fertility chances are highest.

Women otoh seek provisioning since it's the best chance of survival of their offspiring. This typically excludes many young males.

Men have limited options when young. Once they reach 30's or 40's and due to divorce or avoiding marriage, their options increase. Women in reverse have a lot of options when young that naturally decline with age.

My experience is that, as an older man, I don't have to do much chasing of younger women. They seem to know what they want and what they are looking for and go after it aggressively. Whatever it is they seem to instinctively find it in some older men.

When you are talking about women around my own age, they seem to be after only one thing. I have no problem providing it but they really don't interest me enough to settle down. Not that I'm interested in settling down with a younger woman either. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[thenerdguy]

My experience is that, as an older man, I don't have to do much chasing of younger women. They seem to know what they want and what they are looking for and go after it aggressively. Whatever it is they seem to instinctively find it in some older men.

When you are talking about women around my own age, they seem to be after only one thing. I have no problem providing it but they really don't interest me enough to settle down. Not that I'm interested in settling down with a younger woman either. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yup I agree with that, it was sometime in my mid to late 30s older women started chasing me, I even had a smoking hot blonde in her 20s try to hook up with me. But when I was younger, no girls were interested in me outside of sex. It wasn't till I got my career going that found my Wife.

 

[thenerdguy]

Old school mentality,..... For the most part, this trend has been dying for some time and will continue to do so, IMO

I am sure a lot of guys whining that they can't get with any women have no financial problems...I know a few guys like this...They have all kinds of resources, yet couldn't get laid in a cat house on dollar night...They just don't bring anything else to the table, and women are no longer worried that they wont have a roof over their heads or eat if they don't latch onto a man...

But you still need to deal with hypergamy, most women are going to want a man with a higher income then her while also being attractive.

 

[UpsideDownWorld11]

Old school mentality,..... For the most part, this trend has been dying for some time and will continue to do so, IMO

I am sure a lot of guys whining that they can't get with any women have no financial problems...I know a few guys like this...They have all kinds of resources, yet couldn't get laid in a cat house on dollar night...They just don't bring anything else to the table, and women are no longer worried that they wont have a roof over their heads or eat if they don't latch onto a man...

And consider this as well...Even some young(and not so young) women, who couldn't hold down a job pushing a broom at the local market, could use the internet to make a dollar...Its not anything to be proud of or anything, but its something that wasn't available until recently and something that guys can't generally do...

I think a lot of guys need to wake up and smell the coffee...You can't just "show up" to this game and expect women to fall at your feet because you have a job and a pension.....They have more options now than they aver did...I still believe that a man that is successful is more desired, but that's pretty obvious...But bring little to nothing else to the table and they'll struggle mightily...seen it happen...

I know plenty of divorced middle aged women that are reasonable looking, have decent jobs, their own houses, their own stuff, money in the bank, etc...How is a like aged guy at an advantage? If anything, the woman still has some edge because, if they haven't gone completely to hell, they can use their sexuality to work for them...Again, most guys can't pull that off at the same level..

Oh, I am sure there are still parts of this world where women have little or no options and so I guess if one were inclined I suppose that may be an option, but here in the US things have changed dramatically, in my lifetime, anyway..

That's not entirely true. Yes, women make more these days but they also expect their mate to make atleast as much, preferably more. So, if they are 40+ and make six figures they have a very limited dating pool, unless they are just looking for a boytoy.

Besides, men hold way less value in their mate having financial resources than women. It all about T & A atleast initially.