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Not much of one for politics.

Seeing so many complaints lately, and not being into party politics, got curious how those in the house, and senate holding dual citizenship vote in comparison to laws of their home country.

I find it odd; of those I’ve had time to purview so far; the staunchest anti-2nd amendment advocates, and pro-immigration advocates hold dual citizenship.

If one agrees with the laws of a home country why take the opposite tact in a country of which they are basically a guest??? Hmmmm.
 

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Not much of one for politics.

Seeing so many complaints lately, and not being into party politics, got curious how those in the house, and senate holding dual citizenship vote in comparison to laws of their home country.

I find it odd; of those I’ve had time to purview so far; the staunchest anti-2nd amendment advocates, and pro-immigration advocates hold dual citizenship.

If one agrees with the laws of a home country why take the opposite tact in a country of which they are basically a guest??? Hmmmm.
If you're a citizen, you're not a "guest." It quite literally is your country.
 

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If you're a citizen, you're not a "guest." It quite literally is your country.
Hard to post anything today. Already posted once.
@Tasorundo you guys going to go after semantics or address the topic?
Last I have to say on semantics.

If someone immigrates to a foreign country, until they are a citizen they are a guest.

Once naturalized if they participated in voting in country of origin they at one time lost u.s. citizenship.

By maintaining dual loyalties, voting in senate on appropriations which benefits their country of origin, or while voting for candidates in their home countries supporting the opposite they do here shows they never intended to leave home country therefore they are still a guest regardless of what American citizenship shows.

For sake of discussion Let’s just call it a guest political office citizenship! :laugh:

Can’t really call it a guest worker visa cause they ain’t really working! LOL

ETA: I would think it would be a little disconcerting so many in the upper echelons of government, and to cabinet members hold dual citizenships.

I’ve looked at the way dual citizens politicians have voted on international issues over the years first I really paid much attention to their stand on current hot button issues
 

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How about we call it what it is: Dual citizenship that is 100% as valid as your single one.

If you don't like dual citizenships, perhaps you should move to a country that doesn't allow it. Isn't that was the MAGA people always say?

Also, it isn's semantics, it is a prejudice that you are showing while you invalidate the position of people who hold dual citizenships as being less than someone that doesn't.
 

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How about we call it what it is: Dual citizenship that is 100% as valid as your single one.

If you don't like dual citizenships, perhaps you should move to a country that doesn't allow it. Isn't that was the MAGA people always say?

Also, it is semantics, it is a prejudice that you are showing while you invalidate the position of people who hold dual citizenships as being less than someone that doesn't.
Ever heard the phrase: seek first to understand; then to be understood?

Can’t do that when have emotional knee jerk reactions. And/or don’t know the history of how it came to be.
 

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I do not care to understand what you have to say if you think people having dual citizenship is the problem.

Also, did you seek to understand why they might feel they way they do about this or that? Or did you just label them as dual citizenship anti-gun pro-immigrant?

Maybe they have deep beliefs and convictions that determine how they choose to vote and where they choose to be legally allowed to have dual citizenship.
 

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Hard to post anything today. Already posted once.
@Tasorundo you guys going to go after semantics or address the topic?
Last I have to say on semantics.

If someone immigrates to a foreign country, until they are a citizen they are a guest.

Once naturalized if they participated in voting in country of origin they at one time lost u.s. citizenship.

By maintaining dual loyalties, voting in senate on appropriations which benefits their country of origin, or while voting for candidates in their home countries supporting the opposite they do here shows they never intended to leave home country therefore they are still a guest regardless of what American citizenship shows.

For sake of discussion Let’s just call it a guest political office citizenship! :laugh:

Can’t really call it a guest worker visa cause they ain’t really working! LOL

ETA: I would think it would be a little disconcerting so many in the upper echelons of government, and to cabinet members hold dual citizenships.

I’ve looked at the way dual citizens politicians have voted on international issues over the years first I really paid much attention to their stand on current hot button issues
I don't have dual citizenship, but my wife and children do. Her loyalties aren't divided at all, and in fact, her ancestral home wants her to be a citizen to help inform the votes there from a western perspective.

Meaning, they invite her input. Which is what a country should do... for it's citizens, that literally collectively own that country.

America is not owned by it's government. It's owned by it's citizens. You just let your government run it.

This is also why xenophobia and isolationist policies ultimately do not work. Inbreeding happens with ideas as much as it does genetics.
 

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My information came from due diligence researching foreign newspapers of countries. That is, foreign papers quoting politicians themselves, or stating said countries views, and watching politicians themselves claim it.
And as this seems it’s going to be such a hot button issue I think I better let it drop.

I have no desire to get into irrational discussions.
I can see where this is going to go as it’s already triggering leading to unfounded knee jerk claims, and will probably only get worse.
Anyone want to know they need to learn how to start researching papers of some home countries.
I thought perhaps it would be better known.
Im out.
Peace.
 

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@Tasorundo and @Marduk are both adept at shutting down political discussions they do not like.

@Tasorundo uses emotional over-reaction to things you did not say (or post).

@Marduk uses black & white thinking, with a side of subtle name-calling. Of the two, he is at least more polite about it.

Nice job guys, all the man did was ask a question and you come at him guns blazing. :rolleyes:
 

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Yes and @Red Sonja is always right and never misreads anything.
@red oak is always the smartest person in the room and has researched everything more than everyone else. If you ever question him you will get a word salad of the highest order.



What was the question? Why are dual citizenship politicians anti-constitution? Why are they unamerican? Why are people with dual citizenship allowed to be here?

What is it we want to know? What is to be gained by lumping a group of unrelated people together, because of a similar circumstance that can have a million different reasons?
 

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@Tasorundo and @Marduk are both adept at shutting down political discussions they do not like.

@Tasorundo uses emotional over-reaction to things you did not say (or post).

@Marduk uses black & white thinking, with a side of subtle name-calling. Of the two, he is at least more polite about it.

Nice job guys, all the man did was ask a question and you come at him guns blazing. :rolleyes:
Ok, let's restart the debate then. What's the issue with dual citizenship?
 

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Ok, here's at least part of my perception. "Dual citizenship" seem to fly in the face of the oath,

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Duel citizenship per se, doesn't bother me. My interpretation of Red Oaks concern are dual citizen elected official pushing to integrate laws of the country they have equal fidelity to with U.S. law. If I had my druthers, a person with duel citizenship has incomplete allegiance with either country and would not be allow to hold public office. Kinda like a guy with two wives. He's only half committed to either. Even if the chicks are ok with it, he better not be telling one they need learn the techniques possessed by the other. Other than that, I'd have no problem partnering up with a "dual citizen" to fish in a bass tournament.

But let's face it. The politicians who hold dual citizenship and doing it to jerk off the public. They are about as sincere as a street hooker who tells their client they're a great lay.
 

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There was a rumor that 89 members of congress had dual American and Israeli citizenship. This is just not true. As of current, I don’t know of any member that does have dual citizenship.


Countries which permit dual citizenship (directly from State department website)

The following countries permit dual citizenship, subject to national laws and rules and restrictions on eligibility. Note that status is subject to change and you are advised to take advice on your circumstances for the most up to date position:

Australia
Barbados
Belgium
Bangladesh
Canada
Czech Republic
Cyprus
Denmark
United States
United Kingdom
Switzerland
South Korea
South Africa
Egypt
Greece
France
Finland
Germany
Iraq
Italy
Israel
Ireland
Poland
Hungary
Iceland
Kenya
Sweden
Slovenia
Syria
Serbia
Armenia
Thailand
Lebanon
Malta
Spain
Tonga
Philippines
Sierra Leone
Sri Lanka
Pakistan
Portugal
Turkey

Also when sworn into office, one swears to uphold and defend the US constitution. If not, that is the job of investigations and oversight committee to deal with.


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Yes and @Red Sonja is always right and never misreads anything.

@red oak is always the smartest person in the room and has researched everything more than everyone else. If you ever question him you will get a word salad of the highest order.



What was the question? Why are dual citizenship politicians anti-constitution? Why are they unamerican? Why are people with dual citizenship allowed to be here?

What is it we want to know? What is to be gained by lumping a group of unrelated people together, because of a similar circumstance that can have a million different reasons?
There you go again, I rest my case.
 

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Not much of one for politics.

Seeing so many complaints lately, and not being into party politics, got curious how those in the house, and senate holding dual citizenship vote in comparison to laws of their home country.

I find it odd; of those I’ve had time to purview so far; the staunchest anti-2nd amendment advocates, and pro-immigration advocates hold dual citizenship.

If one agrees with the laws of a home country why take the opposite tact in a country of which they are basically a guest??? Hmmmm.

Can you please post an actual example? I really have no idea what you mean.
 
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