[Ikaika]

I think there is more job protection in other developed countries, plus universal health care. So different from America . . .

We had post-doc from Germany in our lab. When she found out how hard it was for us to fight for basic services to help us with our son in the school system, she was appalled. She said I Germany, the disabled are cared for from the cradle to grave with dignity. Yea, don't get me started. I should stop before I offend or cross the line in the discussion in this sub forum.

Sorry CM, ending my thread jack.

 

[John Lee]

Oh yeah, I've definitely thought about a move to the EU, or to Australia, or something like that, but you know, roots, culture, family, etc. If the German side of my family hadn't left so early, I might try for EU citizenship that way (I think you can get it if you have a grandparent). Actually on of my grandfathers was born in Poland -- would that get me anything?

 

[John Lee]

But that just relates back to my original point -- if things like good health insurance, education, job protection, etc. weren't so hard to come by in this country, I'd feel even less drive to work in my grueling career, regardless of the "fear and respect" i'd earn from other men (sorry, still laughing inside at that suggestion).

 

[Sandfly]

The men's clubhouse...

The only part of TAM where you can guarantee finding a preponderance of contrary Germaine Greers trying to tell men how they "really" feel ...

:smthumbup:

 

[WyshIknew]

The men's clubhouse...

The only part of TAM where you can guarantee finding a preponderance of contrary Germaine Greers trying to tell men how they "really" feel ...

:smthumbup:

:lol::rofl:

And of course the ladies say exactly the same thing about most of us men.

Does that make us even?

Both equally blinkered?

 

[missthelove2013]

because I HAVE to

 

[Applejuice]

You missed an option out from the poll:

5. I work to buy my freedom

That is, I was born into a world where I was commercialised from day 1. If I buy 'my' house, I can be evicted from it for not paying a mandatory council tax. I can buy a TV but, in order to watch it, I HAVE to buy a mandatory TV licence. I want to use my electrical appliances but in order to do so, I MUST pay the monopolistic utility providers their predetermined tariff or BUY (using state monopolised currency instruments) domestic scale renewable energy sourcing devices.

In short, I work hard to amass enough money to buy my freedom from exploitative third parties.

 

[frusdil]

We'd be lucky to have you D. But yes, a doctor's family was recently refused residency because he had a child with autism. Disgraceful and there's been quite an outcry, so hoping the decision will be reversed.

It was reversed, they're allowed to stay

 

[Therealbrighteyes]

By the way, I did a little research and the number of Americans who earn over $50 million is something in the range of 100-200 people. So, again, I really don't think they're representative of the vast majority of men.

Your research skills are abysmal. There are over 170,000 people in Houston that earn $50MM a year with their salaries, nevermind their stock options and bonuses.

Nevermind the riches of NYC/ Wall Street, San Francisco finance, San Jose tech, Chicago advertising, Boston (beans?), Detroit cars, Dallas more oil money, Seattle tech or Portland Nike.

100-200 Americans? No.

 

[Caribbean Man]

Your research skills are abysmal. There are over 170,000 people in Houston that earn $50MM a year with their salaries, nevermind their stock options and bonuses.

Nevermind the riches of NYC/ Wall Street, San Francisco finance, San Jose tech, Chicago advertising, Boston (beans?), Detroit cars, Dallas more oil money, Seattle tech or Portland Nike.

And it looks as if they're overwhelmingly ,
Married.



Not just that, but it also looks like others in their households
[ wives , husbands ] are also high earners, so the money they make is for their family and kept within their family.




Source ~ Who Are America's Millionaires? | Tax Foundation

 

[ReformedHubby]

If you are going to cherry pick my quote then at least explain the context and include the rest of my post. It was in response to a poster who said:

If money wasn't important to women. It wouldn't be important to us. We don't pursue money and power because we give a crap about it. We do it because we know what comes with it.

I wrote about the men I used to work with and their motivations for acquiring the wealth they did. They did it to one up each other and be feared and envied by less affluent men. Money to them equaled power which equaled fear and jealousy among other men. They acquired objects that most women couldn't possibly appreciate, but men could.

I also pointed out that the male gay community is by and large financially successful so if women were the only motivator for obtaining money, how do you explain that? The suggestion that men only earn money because of women was ridiculous and that's what I was responding to.

Your poll proved the other guy wrong, by the way. Nearly everybody here said they work to pay their bills, have nice things, go on vacation or because they would be bored. Would they suddenly stop wanting those things and thus working if women fell off the face of the Earth? No.

I feel so misunderstood on TAM sometimes. To be fair you cherry picked my post too.

What I said was:

I do think there is something to the whole hypergamy thingie. I can clearly remember that after college graduation the guys that didn't land decent jobs, or weren't able to keep up with their peers were traded in by their long term girlfriends for guys that were doing better.

Honestly though I don't think this bothers men. Before we get married we work hard to gain enough income to attract women. After we get married we bust our a$$ to make sure our families have nothing but the best. Pretty much everything men do is to attract or keep their woman. If money wasn't important to women. It wouldn't be important to us. We don't pursue money and power because we give a crap about it. We do it because we know what comes with it.

Yes we pursue money for women, the women that we love and our children. If we could do all of this without money. We really wouldn't give a crap about it.

Regarding your example of gay men. They aren't any different. They want to build a life and provide for the ones they love too.

 

[John Lee]

Your research skills are abysmal. There are over 170,000 people in Houston that earn $50MM a year with their salaries, nevermind their stock options and bonuses.

Nevermind the riches of NYC/ Wall Street, San Francisco finance, San Jose tech, Chicago advertising, Boston (beans?), Detroit cars, Dallas more oil money, Seattle tech or Portland Nike.

100-200 Americans? No.

:rofl:

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon's TOTAL annual compensation, including stock options/restricted shares/bonus comp, is $20MM. So you are telling me that there are 170,000 people in Houston who earn more than the CEO of the largest bank in the United States?

You do realize that $50MM means $50 MILLION dollars, right? That's 50 with six more zeros after it. Maybe the men you've been meeting around Houston have been telling you some tall tales.

But just so we don't have a further row about my "research skills," here's the first link that popped up in a google search.

How Many Americans Earn $50 Million a Year? - The Wealth Report - WSJ (it's a few years old but things haven't changed THAT much since the recession).

 

[Caribbean Man]

:rofl:

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon's TOTAL annual compensation, including stock options/restricted shares/bonus comp, is $20MM. So you are telling me that there are 170,000 people in Houston who earn more than the CEO of the largest bank in the United States?

You do realize that $50MM means $50 MILLION dollars, right? That's 50 with six more zeros after it. Maybe the men you've been meeting around Houston have been telling you some tall tales.

But just so we don't have a further row about my "research skills," here's the first link that popped up in a google search.

How Many Americans Earn $50 Million a Year? - The Wealth Report - WSJ (it's a few years old but things haven't changed THAT much since the recession).

I think in the link I posted, it was around the same percentage.

 

[John Lee]

By the way I thought maybe she was mixing up income and net worth, so I checked how many people have net worths of $50 million+, and it's around 80,000 in the entire world. So doesn't look like there are over 100,000 of those people in Houston either.

 

[Caribbean Man]

By the way I thought maybe she was mixing up income and net worth, so I checked how many people have net worths of $50 million+, and it's around 80,000 in the entire world. So doesn't look like there are over 100,000 of those people in Houston either.

A person's income can be calculated by their tax returns.

 

[John Lee]

A person's income can be calculated by their tax returns.

Right, the first number I gave (the WSJ link) is based on tax returns

 

[moco82]

I work hard because I was too relaxed in my 20s, working jobs that were below my potential. Now that I have mouths to feed, a mortgage, and all that good stuff, I have no idea whether I make enough, not enough, or more than enough. I do remember thinking that I'd never be getting this kind of paycheck and that it was reserved for people born into the right families. At the same time, it's all going towards a (small) house in an expensive area, day care, bills, etc.--my expenses on my own leisure are a fraction of what they were when I was ostensibly broke. There is room for professional growth, so I guess I'll keep working hard for the foreseeable future.

 

[WorkingOnMe]

We have these free doughnuts at the office.....jelly filled. Why else would I work?

 

[Ikaika]

We have these free doughnuts at the office.....jelly filled. Why else would I work?

Ugh, we only serve fruits and carrot sticks. I need new employment

 

[heartsbeating]

We have these free doughnuts at the office.....jelly filled. Why else would I work?

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