[TinyTbone]

So for those men whove had issues concerning this, if and when you had this checked, if you were low...whats considered low? Just got my results back and reviewed with my doctor. PSA, excellent, A1C, a little elevated and TESTOSTERONE, at 380. He says this is fine, actually higher than average for age correction. Is he telling me right?

 

[ConanHub]

So for those men whove had issues concerning this, if and when you had this checked, if you were low...whats considered low? Just got my results back and reviewed with my doctor. PSA, excellent, A1C, a little elevated and TESTOSTERONE, at 380. He says this is fine, actually higher than average for age correction. Is he telling me right?

What was your age again?

 

[Rus47]

So for those men whove had issues concerning this, if and when you had this checked, if you were low...whats considered low? Just got my results back and reviewed with my doctor. PSA, excellent, A1C, a little elevated and TESTOSTERONE, at 380. He says this is fine, actually higher than average for age correction. Is he telling me right?

Maybe for your age, if i recall you are in 70s? What is right depends on the person. Mine was 260 and felt terrible. But my GP said it normal for my age. Which was true. It is an indiviidual thing. If you feel ok snd things working for you then all is ok. They dont think an old dog ought to be thinking of sex ever. My wife thinks otherwise.

 

[TinyTbone]

Actually im 62 now. I have feeling off, less energy. I can see a decrease in muscle mass. Not sure if the irritability is due to that or BPD. Also been having trouble with the ED part as well. So just made an appointment with my primary care provider to discuss this. I feel that being between 500 and 600 might be a number to achieve.

 

[Rus47]

Actually im 62 now. I have feeling off, less energy. I can see a decrease in muscle mass. Not sure if the irritability is due to that or BPD. Also been having trouble with the ED part as well. So just made an appointment with my primary care provider to discuss this. I feel that being between 500 and 600 might be a number to achieve.

Total isnt the whole story. My total us 800 but I inject. You need to find an endo or urologist knowledgeable in male sexual hormones. Not easy to find.

BTW if you get T up, you better have an interested oartner or you will be “dressed up with no place to go”

 

[TinyTbone]

Total isnt the whole story. My total us 800 but I inject. You need to find an endo or urologist knowledgeable in male sexual hormones. Not easy to find.

BTW if you get T up, you better have an interested oartner or you will be “dressed up with no place to go”

I literally had an appointment with my urologist today to discuss the lab work ups. He is of the mind that my t level is good, yet doesn't seem to take into account all the other things I did discuss about stamina and energy levels and such. Why I'm gonna discuss a second opinion with my PCM, or possibly if they can start
a limited trt on me to see how it works.
As far as a willing partner, the wife is onboard with now. Like I told her, if I do start treatments and the total desired effects do occurr, then be ready for a boost in our intimate life!

 

[ConanHub]

This isn't something I know a lot about but I do know that a lot of doctors say things are normal but they could be saying the same thing about a corpse being normal.

Feeling good and healthy might not be considered normal but it is desirable.

I'm usually running between 800-900 and feel pretty good.

 

[TinyTbone]

Thanks Conan. This is why I'm pursuing this. I think I'm low and feel like I've lost that step or edge male wise. Of course I'm aging, but that just doesn't account for how I've felt now for a few years.

 

[Julie's Husband]

I literally had an appointment with my urologist today to discuss the lab work ups. He is of the mind that my t level is good, yet doesn't seem to take into account all the other things I did discuss about stamina and energy levels and such. Why I'm gonna discuss a second opinion with my PCM, or possibly if they can start
a limited trt on me to see how it works.
As far as a willing partner, the wife is onboard with now. Like I told her, if I do start treatments and the total desired effects do occurr, then be ready for a boost in our intimate life!

Doctors suck at dealing with male sexual function. They look at the total testosterone, which can be meaningless. Ask whether the doctor is looking at bio available testosterone (the important one), SHBG and free testosterone as well. Might as well check albumin level.

I have "average" total testosterone (530 at age 77), but low end bio available testosterone. Once I get the bio available up into the mid or high normal range I will make decisions on TRT, not before. If higher bio available testosterone doesn't up the energy, shut down the mood swings and give me consistent libido then I will look at TRT.

One problem with TRT that annoys me is that when there is otherwise enough testosterone in the system, the testicles can shut down and atrophy. I want my body to do it's job.

 

[TinyTbone]

Doctors suck at dealing with male sexual function. They look at the total testosterone, which can be meaningless. Ask whether the doctor is looking at bio available testosterone (the important one), SHBG and free testosterone as well. Might as well check albumin level.

I have "average" total testosterone (530 at age 77), but low end bio available testosterone. Once I get the bio available up into the mid or high normal range I will make decisions on TRT, not before. If higher bio available testosterone doesn't up the energy, shut down the mood swings and give me consistent libido then I will look at TRT.

One problem with TRT that annoys me is that when there is otherwise enough testosterone in the system, the testicles can shut down and atrophy. I want my body to do it's job.

I had a vasectomy years ago. Can this affect things as well?

 

[Prodigal]

Excuse me, gentlemen, but I'd like to pose a question. Women deal with low estrogen after menopause. As a rule, women contend with vaginal dryness, sensitivity to warmer temps (sweating more than usual), and lower sex drive.

I'd just like to know what is considered the "usual" experience for men as their T-levels go down?

 

[Julie's Husband]

Excuse me, gentlemen, but I'd like to pose a question. Women deal with low estrogen after menopause. As a rule, women contend with vaginal dryness, sensitivity to warmer temps (sweating more than usual), and lower sex drive.

I'd just like to know what is considered the "usual" experience for men as their T-levels go down?

Menopausal (andropause for men) symptoms if low enough. There is apparently no information in the medical community on how low testosterone needs to be to bring on andropause. As in male supplement ads; mood swings, low energy, low libido, poor or no erections.

 

[Julie's Husband]

I had a vasectomy years ago. Can this affect things as well?

Wouldn't think so, but it is worth asking your urologist.

 

[Prodigal]

I'm also asking questions, because I'm curious about these guys who father children in their 70s. And I'm talking about the time before there was medicine for low-T. Were these guys outliers?

 

[Julie's Husband]

I'm also asking questions, because I'm curious about these guys who father children in their 70s. And I'm talking about the time before there was medicine for low-T. Were these guys outliers?

Dunno. For all I know, I could have had I not had radiation for prostate cancer at age 74. My wife and I got a good laugh when I mentioned that treatment might make me sterile. She was 73 at the time.

You might look for info on pubmed.gov. Wide range of studies on all things medical. Some are free, some cost a bit. I use it for research on male sexual function.

By the way, I don't know how many men have hot flushes from natural andropause. I was given Lupron as part of treatment for prostate cancer. It turns off testosterone. When we are given that stuff menopause comes crashing in; no perimenopause, just WHAM! Some men are lucky enough to avoid the full range of symptoms, but hot flushes, over the top emotion (mood swings), fatigue, loss of libido (some men claim they forget what sex is), fat to the belly and breasts. With long term treatment shrunken testicles, loss of bone density, loss of muscle mass, coronary problems, all the other good things women experience.

 

[Mr.Married]

I don’t have much to add but my own data point.

Never tried steroids
No maintenance medications
Normal BP is 120/78
Vasectomy 17 years ago
No ED or performance issues
BMI 24%
Age 48
Total T is about 415 …+/- 3 one month ago

I have zero interest in giving myself injections as I don’t see the need for myself personally. Everything is still operating like it should. Too many downsides for just a little more pep in my step.

How’s that country music lyric go ?

I’m not as good as I once was ….but I’m as good ONCE as I ever was 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[manwithnoname]

I had a vasectomy years ago. Can this affect things as well?

I don’t think so. Unless the doctor used a chainsaw, then it would be possible, depending on his skill level.

 

[manwithnoname]

This isn't something I know a lot about but I do know that a lot of doctors say things are normal but they could be saying the same thing about a corpse being normal.

Feeling good and healthy might not be considered normal but it is desirable.

I'm usually running between 800-900 and feel pretty good.

Good point. A corpse with no pulse is quite normal, but not something I’m striving for in regards to my health.

Most doctors I have dealt with regarding this same issues look at my levels and say they’re normal, because they fall in between the range on a chart that includes all ages, which was frustrating as hell.
My GP even told me my levels could be normal….for me! All this with never having a baseline for what my normal was historically.

 

[manwithnoname]

Actually im 62 now. I have feeling off, less energy. I can see a decrease in muscle mass. Not sure if the irritability is due to that or BPD. Also been having trouble with the ED part as well. So just made an appointment with my primary care provider to discuss this. I feel that being between 500 and 600 might be a number to achieve.

You don’t look a day over 60.

I tried finding a chart that I had found a few years ago (best one I’ve seen) but it looks like it’s login only now. I’ll post a link if I can get it.

500 should make a huge difference, effects aren’t instant apparently. Find a doctor who is knowledgeable and willing to help instead of brushing it off as normal or “you’re getting older” etc.

 

[Rus47]

Excuse me, gentlemen, but I'd like to pose a question. Women deal with low estrogen after menopause. As a rule, women contend with vaginal dryness, sensitivity to warmer temps (sweating more than usual), and lower sex drive.

I'd just like to know what is considered the "usual" experience for men as their T-levels go down?

One regular on here said he lost interest in sex. It just wasn't on his mind. In my case, sometimes the PDE-5 inhibitors had no effect. I could have taken the whole bottle of cialis and would have done nothing but give me a headache. Was interested, but incapable. Then as a consequence of failure to perform, actually started dreading the wife being interested in intimacy. Would lay awake from 4AM on dreading the moment when she would wake up.

Getting the T up solved all of the problems. And improved my energy in general as well. As a prostate cancer survivor, finding a doctor who would treat low T was difficult. And, if my PSA ever rises, that will be the end of the treatment as well. I suspect since my wife stopped HRT after DCIS diagnosis, that will be fine for both of us.

Hormones for both men and women are a PITA. Not sure how our ancestors managed getting old, but they did. Maybe all of this HRT stuff is the wrong way to go.