Well, it isn't like Vin suddenly had just his biceps blow up. His entire upper body got more muscle while getting shredded. Factor in his age and how much more difficult it is for a guy as he gets older, and if Vin hoped to accomplish that in a short time frame, he had pharmaceutical help. That is all I am saying. That is not a "natural" transformation in a short amount of time, especially when factoring in age. Of course these pics are probably years apart though so our debate is a bit of a moot point :grin2:In my experience, men who have a lifetime full of mature muscle, can pump it up very quickly.
Again...I'm looking at the two pics of Vin and assuming he has only taken a few months off from working out, because he still has a lot of mature muscle visible in the left picture and little body fat. His abs, to me, just look slack, not fat (over or under).
When you have mature muscle, and you've only let it go for a short time, it WANTS to come raging back, and does so very quickly.
This would not be true if you let your muscles go for a long period of time. But from the pictures, I assume Vin did not let it go very long.
My ex-h had such enormous strength and lots of mature muscle. His arms were always getting somewhat of work out from simply working on the house and staying active. But if he got house bound for a few months, they would get a little smaller, though still very large and strong. I swear to god, he could do nothing but do 50 push ups a day for a week or two and re-increase his arms size by several inches.
Again...I'm not applying these same distinctions to EVERYONE. I'm talking about when you've already got a lot of mature muscle, like Vin does.
Well, do I think a guy can go from the left pic to the right pic, yes. Can they do it in a month, especially at his age, without pharma help, no, mainly because you are talking about increasing muscle mass while simultaneously decreasing BF% significantly in a short period of timeI think you do...but I'm kind of surprised by what you are seeing in the Vin pictures versus what I am seeing.
Its ok. They will be back when someone, somehow brings up red pill. :laugh:Well, do I think a guy can go from the left pic to the right pic, yes. Can they do it in a month, especially at his age, without pharma help, no, mainly because you are talking about increasing muscle mass while simultaneously decreasing BF% significantly in a short period of time
@Faithful Wife I think we just drove everyone else away from this thread lol
In the 70's, there was a slogan men used to bandy about....No Fat Chicks. There were bumper stickers, and I even would see men with handmade signs saying this hanging in their back window.It is all in the shoulders for me. i can handle weight around the middle but they have to have strong, broad shoulders.
The whole dad bod thing is a crock, a soft pudgy guy is a major turn off.
Please do ask her, I'd be curious!I got nothing on red pill lol
Along the lines of the conversation here, and honestly I would have to ask my W, it is hard for me to say exactly how much she cares about my body. When we first met I was very lean / borderline lanky, although I did always have built/defined arms. Over the years as I got more into lifting I did bulk up, but somewhere along the way once we had kids let things get away from me. No one would say I was overweight because of how I carried my weight, going back to a few other comments here about it being important how she/he carries the weight. I just looked like a stocky dude (people would ask me if I was a cop or ex football player lol). Really though, I was overweight, even if I had muscle I still had plenty of fat lol. At no point did I think this had impacted my Ws attraction to me (but once again, I would need to ask my W and have her answer honestly).
After getting my $hit together, and fast forward to now, I have a lot more muscle and a lot less fat. From a physique standpoint I am in the best shape I have ever been in. Is my W more attracted to me now b/c of this versus previously, once again, I really don't know. I know she likes to constantly make comparisons of myself vs all the other husbands she sees, but maybe that is more pride then attraction? If I think of it, maybe I will ask her, tell her my questioning is purely for TAM research :grin2:
Well, if you go by the frequency of our sex life then you would have to conclude she isn't more attracted to my current physique lol.Please do ask her, I'd be curious!
I'm also fascinated that you don't really know. :scratchhead:
I guess I just talk too much and ask too many questions. There's no way I wouldn't know about something like this in my relationship.
Or maybe I'm just too obsessed with sex and attraction and you are normal and are not.
Here is another question (and I guess can really be gender neutral). How many people would not like their SO to have a "great" body b/c it would bring out a lot of insecurities in themselves (i.e. their own body image, possibly concerns your SO with the great body will be more desired by others, etc...)
So when you put it out there on the thread in the mens section "beer guts, no"....I just had to chuckle. Like, does it actually need to be said out loud that most people are not attracted to beer guts on men OR women? I still believe a lot of men who have a gut like that think that women don't care, while they definitely WOULD care if the same was on their woman.