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Karma for cheaters and APs: what is it and does it exist?

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#1 ·
For people who have been severely affected by partner infidelity (which manifests itself in the form of mental or physical abuse), it is natural to think about revenge on the cheater and AP who destroyed their personality, relationships/marriage, family and caused great trauma to children (if any).

Many (and such people arouse sincere respect) take control of the consequences for their enemies into their own hands. We know what needs to be done: announce a breakup/divorce immediately, serve the cheater with a file (if he/she is a spouse), kick the cheater out of the house, inform HR (if AP is a coworker or a gym coach), reveal the truth to both families, friends and children (in a form they can understand), on social media, etc.

However, not all of us can react correctly to betrayal for various reasons. In addition, even after taking all necessary measures, we cannot control the future fate of the cheater and AP. And we can only hope that they will be punished by God or, more often than not, by so-called karma.

So what is karma really?

Well, first of all, karma is not something supernatural based on religion (for this there is the concept of "God", "devil", punishment for sins, heaven and hell). We all tend to recognize that karma is a certain order of things in our real world that leads to the fact that the "bad" (cheaters and APs) fail (loss of attractiveness, financial ruin, mental and physical problems, illness, low standard of living, failures in relationships, poor relationships with children, abuse, illness and even death, etc.), and betrayed partners and betrayed children thrive and are happy.

Secondly, we all recognize (and this has been proven by life) that karma has a probabilistic character. The visible, felt by us Karma Bus may or may not run over a cheater and/or an AP the way we would like it to be done

And finally, thirdly, our perception of karma in relation to our enemies is purely individual. What we perceive as the failures / punishments of the cheater and the AP, others may not perceive so dramatically or simply not pay attention to the manifestation of what we consider karma.

So, does karma not exist? Is it just our belief in the triumph of justice or our naivety, and that's it?

I don't think so. I believe that there is a rational grain in our belief in karma, which is explained by human psychology and the laws of human behavior in society and with sexual partners.

1. As we know, infidelity in monogamous relationships is the result of a cheater's twisted morality, their persistent character traits that arose in childhood, preteen and teen ages and adolescence under the influence of an untidy family and social environment, school, under the influence of the Internet, cinema, television, literature, which romanticize and justify infidelity for selfish purposes, for profits. Psychologists working in the "reconciliation" industry also contribute.

This morality, the "moral core", cannot be "corrected" by the usual means of modern traditional psychology, IC/MC (conversations, books, the implementation of behavior algorithms, enhanced communication, etc.). To correct morality, the strongest experiences/feelings/emotions are needed, literally turning the human soul inside out, and, of course, the vast majority of cheaters do not experience anything like this, not to mention APs.

So, neither the cheaters nor the APs will change internally with a very high degree of probability after the act of infidelity. Their morals and basic character traits will remain vicious and twisted (skewed).

2. A person's behavior in society and with his partners and family members is determined by their moral principles, manifested in character traits and beliefs. And such a style of behavior that allows a cheater/AP to lie, betray, to be hypocritical and coward will inevitably cause a negative reaction from others, which will certainly affect their success in all areas of life.

Success and failure due to a person's moral qualities are also relative and probabilistic, but in this case, the probability of failure is very significant.

3. The inner world of the cheater/AP, their sensations, feelings and emotions also greatly depend on their morals, beliefs and character traits.

A person with the moral core of a cheater/AP cannot experience true cloudless happiness in a relationship. Sincere joy and romantic love for another person are not available to them. They lack the feeling of unity of a genuine family - with their partner and children.

The elephant will stay in any room, wherever they find themselves. They can try to hide the elephant behind beautiful curtains, pretend that it does not exist, but the elephant will not disappear anyway.

They can say that they are happy and contented, they can demonstrate this on social networks and in communication with others, but they do not know what true happiness and true joy are. They may have experienced something like this before, but after betrayal, it's just not possible.

4 .The children of cheater/AP with their betrayed partner have a huge impact on karma. Their negative view of their parents is always more pronounced and explicit than that of adult victims of cheating. They see and understand everything, they will never fully forgive unfaithful parents and they will certainly never forget their betrayal. And they will pass it on to their own children.

No matter what the cheaters/APs say, their relationship with their children and grandchildren is tainted forever.

They will remain cheaters in the memory of posterity.

5. And of course, future relationships. Knowing about the involvement of a cheater/AP in affairs, it is unlikely that worthy, loyal people will choose them as partners. Those who choose them either know nothing about their infidelities, or they are the same cheaters/APs.

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So, our belief in karma towards betrayers has a solid foundation, although its effect is probabilistic and relative. Many facts from real life, including those reflected on the Internet, prove this.

Of course, the manifestation of karma over a long period of time is becoming more and more likely, which follows from the mathematical theory of probability.

As the Chinese proverb says, "if you sit on the riverbank for a long time, you will see the bodies of your enemies floating by."

But is it worth dedicating our precious and so short life to revenge on the cheater/AP and waiting for the karma bus to run over them?

No, no, and no again!

These people are not worth a single second of our attention, not a single gram of our efforts.

Let them go. Let them do what they want. Let them live and have sex with anyone, let them marry and divorce, let them "thrive."

It's not our problem anymore.

Our problem, our main business, is to find our own happiness, or at least peace and self-confidence.

Our case is to make our children happy (if any).

Our case is to make this world a better place, as best as we know how and can.
 
#2 ·
I agree with quite a lot of what you wrote.
Well, first of all, karma is not something supernatural based on religion (for this there is the concept of "God", "devil", punishment for sins, heaven and hell). We all tend to recognize that karma is a certain order of things in our real world that leads to the fact that the "bad" (cheaters and APs) fail (loss of attractiveness, financial ruin, mental and physical problems, illness, low standard of living, failures in relationships, poor relationships with children, abuse, illness and even death, etc.),
I am a Buddhist, I believe in the Buddhist version of Karma. And the above is quite a good definition. It's not supernatural. It is indeed "a certain order of things in our real world".

From what I've seen, every case of infidelity is different. I don't go along with "Chump lady" and others who say that cheaters are all the same.

To correct morality, the strongest experiences/feelings/emotions are needed,
That's right. I have seen it happen, but the odds are against it. In religious terms we might call it a death and rebirth.

It's not our problem anymore.

Our problem, our main business, is to find our own happiness, or at least peace and self-confidence.

Our case is to make our children happy (if any).
Good advice!
 
#5 ·
Wanting vengeance, karma or bad things to happen just causes further hurt to ourselves. Being bitter and angry is so bad for us physically and emotionally.

You mentioned religion and God. God tells us we must forgive, if we forgive it enables us to heal and move on. Something even harder is praying blessing on the one who hurt us. Doing that is incredibly powerful. Both of these things enable God to really work in that person's life which can only be positive.
 
#11 ·
TJ/ The Klingon Empire actually stole it from the French - “La vengeance se mange très-bien froide”. Popular around the 1840s and referenced in an unreadable French novel of the time. I had a French teacher who loved to tell us how everything somehow related back to France. Similar to Chinese teachers who could prove all major 20th century inventions had Chinese dynastic origins. /end TJ
 
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#7 ·
The best Karma is a life well lived and to be successful (not necessarily materially, but 'happy' successful).
I don't happen to believe in Karma as it's often defined. Sometimes it appears to work, sometimes it doesn't; it's not reliable, therefore I think it can be discounted.
We live in a fallen world that is a mish-mash of good and bad. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.
There is no true justice in this present age. Justice and 'Karma' will be settled in the age to come.
 
#12 ·
We each live our lives. Sometimes things go better than others. I know we can affect each other's lives, but I also know I have choices to make and those are going to affect me much more than any hope ever will.
 
#13 ·
My ex-husband is getting run over and over and over by the karma bus, if that’s how people want to view it. I don’t revel in it at all. He is in emotional pain and a darkness that never relents, and I wish nothing more for him than redemption. My prayers include him healing mind, body and soul; becoming a better father, and even finding someone. That’s what I wish for him, but he will not stop punishing himself with the darkness. And reaping the consequences.

As you have eluded to at the end, the healing and renewal I have worked through has given me enough peace and joy to be completely comfortable in praying for him but disconnected enough to allow him to live or die however he may choose. It’s pretty sad that the kids have to see it though.
 
#18 ·
I think this comes down to personal wiring. I'm very happy go lucky, low anxiety person. But I have an absolutely savage justice / fairness meter. I've read that that's a symptom of ADHD. Whatever. I'm in my 60s and too old to change. For me, "justice" is part of the processing. To just "let it go" would cause me anxiety. Folks are just different. My wife is not like me at all. If I'm driving and someone tailgates me, I gleefully tap my brake light or just slow down. But not with her in the car. Her attitude is what if that person loses control or something. My attitude is FU*& them" If I can count the gnats in your grill in my mirror, you are a problem and should not be the least surprised. Plus I always drive a car that looks like a POS so I have zero concern if you hit me and put a scratch up my gorilla tape :). In my old job i was legendary for the petulant retribution I unleashed on management :) Funny thing is, I was always the happy one. My colleagues were crushed down by "the man" every day. But they never rocked the boat. Where's the fun in that?? The thing is, this how I keep equilibrium. I lose no sleep because I "rectify" as a I go :)

In the infidelity sphere I sense that very often betrayed folks are crushed out by the injustice. I totally get that. And in some case there are zero options. I concede that. And on top of this, many folks tell the betrayed there never will be justice. As Conan says, pish posh on that. YOu can always try to get some justice back. Just remember that there is no such thing as perfect justice (in this world). When I was a young attorney, I did collection work for a bank. We NEVER expected to get 100% back on a debt. No one can get 100% back on the injury done them. But often, if we could get some % back, the bank was satisfied. In my mind, you do what you can do to get the "feeling" that you've done something. What matters (to me at least) is not how much "retribution"/justice/whatever you get, but that you tried. That you did something, anything, to rebalance the scales. You never will rebalance. But the act of trying would be absolutely essential to me.
 
#27 ·
I think this comes down to personal wiring. I'm very happy go lucky, low anxiety person. But I have an absolutely savage justice / fairness meter.
Most definitely!

Talking about tailgating🤬 I'm like "Get off my ass!" I was driving down the interstate once and guy got on my azz pushing me so to speak. So I just slammed on the brakes and guy started fishtailing trying to avoid me. After that, I look in rear view mirror his wife was chewing his azz up one side and down the other. Bet he done tailgate for long time to come 😁
 
#19 ·
Karma is wishful thinking. Chances are they are living happily ever after in their eyes and the fact that they crushed your soul forgotten in the wind.

If you want justice or revenge you have to work for it. Exposure, divorce, it's up to you to ensure consequences for their actions.

However past that, best to focus on healing and learning from your own mistakes. Sure, it feels good, really good, so you make your own determination if it's worth it.

Revenge will be empty if you lose yourself and your own happiness in the process.
 
#20 ·
Revenge will be empty if you lose yourself and your own happiness in the process
I agree this to some extent, but know that I would lose myself if I DIDNT try to do something to address the justice side. Again - not focusing on did I succeed . But rather, knowing that I tried and did my best to effect a rebalance is what i would need. Not trying would be soul crushing (to me)