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First reasonable manly thing I’ve heard you say in a while. Keep it up and I might just forget you’re a porn addict 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder what porn CatholicDad prefers? I'm thinking minimum four people are included.
 

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Looking at the three links offered by Snerg, the report National Library of medicine seems to say a man with low testosterone will fare better during treatment. However, this is a study of 137 men with aggressive stage 4 prostate cancer (Gleason 10 (5+5) so it is unclear whether they mean the low testosterone is keeping the cancer in check or something else.

Review of health risks of low testosterone and testosterone administration and
Testosterone and prostate cancer: an evidence-based review of pathogenesis and oncologic risk say that TRT does not encourage creation of prostate cancer. The last link says that on an experimental and consensual basis TRT might be tried for select prostate cancer patients.

From the real world with a few million patients, we find that prostate cancer thrives where there is testosterone and "hibernates" when the testosterone is removed. The most common means of slowing prostate cancer growth is either chemical or surgical castration. Chemical castration (hormone treatment, ADT) is pretty much reversible.

I was diagnosed with stage 2b, Gleason (3+4) 7 in October 2019. I have no references on my testosterone level as my PCP has his head where the sun doesn't shine. The cancer was in a location that made me uncomfortable so I went on hormone treatment to pause growth until I could finish radiation treatment. My testosterone was too low to measure for 6 months.

Men with advanced cancer may go on hormone treatment for the remainder of their lives to keep the cancer at bay.

Low testosterone leads to all the symptoms other posters have listed and is a normal thing for older men as their testosterone level goes down. With no testosterone, for the short term we experience:

Hot flushes
Mood swings
Total lack of sexual interest
Fat to the belly and possibly the breasts
Tender breasts
Big time fatigue
Possible muscle and bone loss
Possible brain fog

Sound familiar? MENOPAUSE

We normally ease into this anyway with age, but with hormone treatment it comes crashing in all at once. Long term lack of testosterone is similar to being post menopausal.

We really don't need testosterone for sex, but without testosterone we forget about sex. No interest. The upside is that when we are castrate we need more frequent sex, or at least erections, to maintain ability to have erections. I went on a regime of at least one good erection a day which kept me and my wife busy for six months.

So now I have been off treatment for 19 months, have T of 300-400 and am fully functional, though I think my libido is a bit low. I'm not sure because I learned to do it without libido when I was castrate. It's nice to be back to morning erections,though.
 

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Looking at the three links offered by Snerg, the report National Library of medicine seems to say a man with low testosterone will fare better during treatment. However, this is a study of 137 men with aggressive stage 4 prostate cancer (Gleason 10 (5+5) so it is unclear whether they mean the low testosterone is keeping the cancer in check or something else.

Review of health risks of low testosterone and testosterone administration and
Testosterone and prostate cancer: an evidence-based review of pathogenesis and oncologic risk say that TRT does not encourage creation of prostate cancer. The last link says that on an experimental and consensual basis TRT might be tried for select prostate cancer patients.

From the real world with a few million patients, we find that prostate cancer thrives where there is testosterone and "hibernates" when the testosterone is removed. The most common means of slowing prostate cancer growth is either chemical or surgical castration. Chemical castration (hormone treatment, ADT) is pretty much reversible.

I was diagnosed with stage 2b, Gleason (3+4) 7 in October 2019. I have no references on my testosterone level as my PCP has his head where the sun doesn't shine. The cancer was in a location that made me uncomfortable so I went on hormone treatment to pause growth until I could finish radiation treatment. My testosterone was too low to measure for 6 months.

Men with advanced cancer may go on hormone treatment for the remainder of their lives to keep the cancer at bay.

Low testosterone leads to all the symptoms other posters have listed and is a normal thing for older men as their testosterone level goes down. With no testosterone, for the short term we experience:

Hot flushes
Mood swings
Total lack of sexual interest
Fat to the belly and possibly the breasts
Tender breasts
Big time fatigue
Possible muscle and bone loss
Possible brain fog

Sound familiar? MENOPAUSE

We normally ease into this anyway with age, but with hormone treatment it comes crashing in all at once. Long term lack of testosterone is similar to being post menopausal.

We really don't need testosterone for sex, but without testosterone we forget about sex. No interest. The upside is that when we are castrate we need more frequent sex, or at least erections, to maintain ability to have erections. I went on a regime of at least one good erection a day which kept me and my wife busy for six months.

So now I have been off treatment for 19 months, have T of 300-400 and am fully functional, though I think my libido is a bit low. I'm not sure because I learned to do it without libido when I was castrate. It's nice to be back to morning erections,though.
First my condolences. I am a prostate cancer survivor. Removed more than two decades ago. Congratulations on arriving at a good place for yourself and your spouse. And wishing you a long and happy remission.

l wasnt diagnosed with low T until about 18 mos ago. Have no idea if was low before the cancer. I instigated the investigation because started having ED that meds didnt treat. Arousal in my brain didnt result in erection. Was like nerve damage after the operation. T injection solved all of the problems.

I am astounded that with T suppression you could still get it up under any circumstances.
 

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Congratulations on your 20 years of beating the cancer. That's a long haul.

I'm still on the nerve wracking 3 month schedule for PSA tests. The urologist says remission, but I will wait out the usual 3 years of testing before I can begin to think about relaxing.

Much of sex is in our minds.

When we don't have testosterone we can replace it with erotic imaging and physical stimulus. There is no desire to become aroused, but if a loved one wants pleasuring many men on hormone treatment find they become aroused while pleasuring the loved one. Once an erection begins, there are feelings of arousal. Masturbation with lube or a vibrator and erotic fantasy can do it as well, but not as much fun.

Castrate sex is a very different animal. I can give details to anyone who asks.

Just for your entertainment, Castrati are great lovers. Castrate sex requires quite a bit of foreplay and many castrate men can go for quite a while. I have a laugh when I think might have really gone on in those storied eunuch protected harems.

When castrate we need frequent sex to maintain healthy erectile tissue. Normally we have about 6 erections while asleep which bring in the needed oxygenated blood to keep erectile tissue from turning into nonerectile fibrous tissue. When castrate we don't have those automatic erections so we need to be on a program of getting it done. Multiple lovers would make for less wear on individual lovers. 😉
 

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There are other sexual activities you can do for now. Also do things that makes her feel loved outside of the bedroom. Hopefully you can get treatment and be able to resume your sex life.
 

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Looking at the three links offered by Snerg, the report National Library of medicine seems to say a man with low testosterone will fare better during treatment. However, this is a study of 137 men with aggressive stage 4 prostate cancer (Gleason 10 (5+5) so it is unclear whether they mean the low testosterone is keeping the cancer in check or something else.

Review of health risks of low testosterone and testosterone administration and
Testosterone and prostate cancer: an evidence-based review of pathogenesis and oncologic risk say that TRT does not encourage creation of prostate cancer. The last link says that on an experimental and consensual basis TRT might be tried for select prostate cancer patients.

From the real world with a few million patients, we find that prostate cancer thrives where there is testosterone and "hibernates" when the testosterone is removed. The most common means of slowing prostate cancer growth is either chemical or surgical castration. Chemical castration (hormone treatment, ADT) is pretty much reversible.
I am some idiot on the internet.
I am just helping based upon my experience.
Mileage will vary.
Please, please, please talk to a doctor!


I was diagnosed with stage 2b, Gleason (3+4) 7 in October 2019. I have no references on my testosterone level as my PCP has his head where the sun doesn't shine. The cancer was in a location that made me uncomfortable so I went on hormone treatment to pause growth until I could finish radiation treatment. My testosterone was too low to measure for 6 months.

Men with advanced cancer may go on hormone treatment for the remainder of their lives to keep the cancer at bay.

Low testosterone leads to all the symptoms other posters have listed and is a normal thing for older men as their testosterone level goes down. With no testosterone, for the short term we experience:

Hot flushes
Mood swings
Total lack of sexual interest
Fat to the belly and possibly the breasts
Tender breasts
Big time fatigue
Possible muscle and bone loss
Possible brain fog

Sound familiar? MENOPAUSE

We normally ease into this anyway with age, but with hormone treatment it comes crashing in all at once. Long term lack of testosterone is similar to being post menopausal.

We really don't need testosterone for sex, but without testosterone we forget about sex. No interest. The upside is that when we are castrate we need more frequent sex, or at least erections, to maintain ability to have erections. I went on a regime of at least one good erection a day which kept me and my wife busy for six months.

So now I have been off treatment for 19 months, have T of 300-400 and am fully functional, though I think my libido is a bit low. I'm not sure because I learned to do it without libido when I was castrate. It's nice to be back to morning erections,though.
With TRT I was able to get my level to 300 (400 while power lifting). My urologist is happy with these numbers. I'm happy enough too.
I think I'm getting to a point where I will need a tuning of the amount I intake.

Make sure you give your cancer a kick in the pills.
 

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First my condolences. I am a prostate cancer survivor. Removed more than two decades ago. Congratulations on arriving at a good place for yourself and your spouse. And wishing you a long and happy remission.

l wasnt diagnosed with low T until about 18 mos ago. Have no idea if was low before the cancer. I instigated the investigation because started having ED that meds didnt treat. Arousal in my brain didnt result in erection. Was like nerve damage after the operation. T injection solved all of the problems.

I am astounded that with T suppression you could still get it up under any circumstances.
When I stopped producing testosterone, my level was 128 and dropping.
I was like sex?
I don't know what this word means.
How can these letters be arranged in such a way as to not make sense.
 

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I am some idiot on the internet.
I am just helping based upon my experience.
Mileage will vary.
Please, please, please talk to a doctor!



With TRT I was able to get my level to 300 (400 while power lifting). My urologist is happy with these numbers. I'm happy enough too.
I think I'm getting to a point where I will need a tuning of the amount I intake.

Make sure you give your cancer a kick in the pills.
With therapy you’re at 300-400? That’s still on the lower end. Are all of your symptoms resolved with those numbers?
 

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With therapy you’re at 300-400? That’s still on the lower end. Are all of your symptoms resolved with those numbers?
The needed level depends so much on the man and a bunch of factors. I contend a competent doctor managing the treatment is essential. I self inject inject 150 mg T cypionate every two weeks. Which most will contend is too infrequently. It works perfectly for me, no peaks/valleys. Since I started more than a year ago, the performance "dead spots" have disappeared, and perform as well as when was in my 20s. Ready whenever wife is interested, which works out to 7-14 encounters/week. So far the PSA remains undetectable and the hemocrit remains in normal range.
 

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When I stopped producing testosterone, my level was 128 and dropping.
I was like sex?
I don't know what this word means.
How can these letters be arranged in such a way as to not make sense.
My desire for sex NEVER lagged. The will was always there, but the body wouldn't answer the call
 

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The needed level depends so much on the man and a bunch of factors. I contend a competent doctor managing the treatment is essential. I self inject inject 150 mg T cypionate every two weeks. Which most will contend is too infrequently. It works perfectly for me, no peaks/valleys. Since I started more than a year ago, the performance "dead spots" have disappeared, and perform as well as when was in my 20s. Ready whenever wife is interested, which works out to 7-14 encounters/week. So far the PSA remains undetectable and the hemocrit remains in normal range.
I agree that the appropriate level is going to vary by individual which is why I asked if his symptoms were resolved. Mine wouldn’t be but if his are that’s great.
Competent doctors are hard to find but so important. I searched for a while before finding someone good. He’s five hours away but worth it.
 

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One would think that given the misery caused by sex hormones being off, it would be more of a priority for public health. The treatments aren't particularly complex or expensive for either gender. My T costs $120 for 6 months or about $10/injection. Dirt cheap, takes about 5 minutes of my time every two weeks. Really cheap to maintain partner contentment.

You will notice, lot of men mention their partner (out of pure ignorance) accusing them of no longer being attracted to them. Thankfully, wife never put me through that BS even during year-long recovery from surgery. Just "worked the problem" together with me. A good wife is worth more than her weight in gold and diamonds.
 

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With therapy you’re at 300-400? That’s still on the lower end. Are all of your symptoms resolved with those numbers?
Still on the low end.

I don't produce Testosterone anymore.
So if you look at it from a standpoint of zero produced, it's pretty good.
All my symptoms are resolved except libido. I don't think I have enough.
But I have to be realistic. When I was younger, sex 4,5,6 times a day (or the want to have) was the norm.
I think once or twice a day is acceptable for someone in their late 50's.
I do need to get it tuned a bit more as I would like it a bit higher. Perhaps 400 to 500 range.
 
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Still on the low end.

I don't produce Testosterone anymore.
So if you look at it from a standpoint of zero produced, it's pretty good.
All my symptoms are resolved except libido. I don't think I have enough.
But I have to be realistic. When I was younger, sex 4,5,6 times a day (or the want to have) was the norm.
I think once or twice a day is acceptable for someone in their late 50's.
I do need to get it tuned a bit more as I would like it a bit higher. Perhaps 400 to 500 range.
For sure every day for someone late 50's (or any other age for that matter ) is pretty good. And it is what is acceptable to YOU, and your partner. Doesn't seem your libido is lacking IMO. The total T isn't the whole story, free T is important.

If you are where you and wife wants you to be, no reason to increase dose and risk side-effects like high hemocrit or psa. Most important is what the doctor managing you is saying about your status.

Will just say focusing on frequency IMO is rather pointless. If a couple are both fine with 2-3 a week, all is good. Quality more important than quantity IMO.
 

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Still on the low end.

I don't produce Testosterone anymore.
So if you look at it from a standpoint of zero produced, it's pretty good.
All my symptoms are resolved except libido. I don't think I have enough.
But I have to be realistic. When I was younger, sex 4,5,6 times a day (or the want to have) was the norm.
I think once or twice a day is acceptable for someone in their late 50's.
I do need to get it tuned a bit more as I would like it a bit higher. Perhaps 400 to 500 range.
Most of us that have been on trt for any length of time produce little if any on our own.
If you don’t feel like you think you should definitely go higher. Whatever it takes to get you where you feel right.
Best of luck, getting your levels right can be quite a journey.
 

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Most of us that have been on trt for any length of time produce little if any on our own.
If you don’t feel like you think you should definitely go higher. Whatever it takes to get you where you feel right.
Best of luck, getting your levels right can be quite a journey.
I've been on TRT for over 10 years now.

I use gel. I know from experience when a new company starts supplying the gel, sometimes the affect isn't as effective as what the claims are.
I find this with the generics that come out of China. No big deal. I get tested, doc makes a change in strength, and I tell the pharmacist no more generic until they change the supply company.

Remember, it's not the destination. It's the journey.
 
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I've been on TRT for over 10 years now.

I use gel. I know from experience when a new company starts supplying the gel, sometimes the affect isn't as effective as what the claims are.
I find this with the generics that come out of China. No big deal. I get tested, doc makes a change in strength, and I tell the pharmacist no more generic until they change the supply company.

Remember, it's not the destination. It's the journey.
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This is what I use. Injections are cheaper and probably gel is as well but this stuff is pretty good.
 
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