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Looks like something is wrong with the institutions that educate. All of these groups seem to come from universities. What is their plan? What is the goal? Anyone care to back up a guess or two what these universities are up to?
 

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From what I've seen and read, incels are largely alt-right conservatives, white-supremacist leaning men, taking some of their beliefs from fascism. That's not socialism, and what is the supposed link to educational institutions?
 

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Looks like something is wrong with the institutions that educate. All of these groups seem to come from universities. What is their plan? What is the goal? Anyone care to back up a guess or two what these universities are up to?
I have a pretty good guess. I know, bear with me...

Education. There. I said it.
 

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From what I've seen and read, incels are largely alt-right conservatives, white-supremacist leaning men, taking some of their beliefs from fascism. That's not socialism, and what is the supposed link to educational institutions?
fascism? lol You don't know your history. Fascism is not National Socialism and was mainly popular in Italy. "Nazi" comes from the German word for National.

Where did you learn this false information? It's the basis for your incorrect assumptions.

Who is the professor that wrote a book on how to destroy capitalism and institute socialism? He supports Antifa with the proceeds from his book. This isn't conspiracy. The author publicly admitted this.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/10/nyt-antifa-explainer-relies-mark-bray-funds/
 

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Today's antifa argue they are the on-the-ground defense against individuals they believe are promoting fascism in the United States. However, antifa, who have many anti-police anarchists in their ranks, can also target law enforcement with both verbal and physical assaults because they believe the police are providing cover for white supremacists. They will sometimes chant against fascism and against law enforcement in the same breath.

While some antifa use their fists, other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.

Away from rallies, they also engage in “doxxing,” exposing their adversaries’ identities, addresses, jobs and other private information. This can lead to their opponents being harassed or losing their jobs, among other consequences. Members of the alt right and other right wing extremists have responded with their own doxxing campaigns, and by perpetuating hateful and violent narratives using fake “antifa” social media accounts.

Because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many “members” are currently active. Different localities have antifa populations of different strengths, but antifa are also sometimes willing to travel hundreds of miles to oppose a white supremacist event.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa
 

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https://www.teenvogue.com/story/antifa-history-and-politics-explained

"Antifa, although it is an abbreviation for anti-fascist, denotes a specific revolutionary socialist tradition within the anti-fascist movement that is often called militant anti-fascism. It entails a rejection of the notion that legislation against fascism or turning to the police to stop fascism are effective ways to stop the far right. There have been anti-fascists in different socialist and communist parties in Europe who have argued that the way to combat the far right is through passing legislation and leaving it in the hands of the police. Militant anti-fascists disagree with this.

The broader anti-fascist or anti-racist tradition has many different perspectives, and so in that sense it's bigger than antifa. So if people want to fight back against the far right, there are a million ways to do that. Whether or not people agree with everything anti-fascists do, one of the greatest lessons from the anti-fascist tradition is to focus on looking for ways people can stand in solidarity with each other across tactical and strategic differences of opinion. I think that we should all have an investment in fighting back against white supremacy and fascism, regardless of what our politics are."


Can you believe they are teaching teens this crap? Do parents know this? I doubt many do.
 

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I think you are imputing a different meaning to what I said than what I actually said. Work on your reading comprehension. And you did not answer my questions.
I think you don't have a good grasp of what you know to be true.
 

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Antifa is not "wrong" in what they stand for, only in the means by which they are attempting to manufacture the change they desire. I don't see anyone here defending their violent actions, do you? What exactly are you trying to accomplish in this discussion?

Standing against fascism is a noble cause, as history has taught us. There have even been times and places when force WAS the reasonable response. I think they're wrong in their tactics today in America. Not sure what else to say.
 

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Looks like something is wrong with the institutions that educate. All of these groups seem to come from universities. What is their plan? What is the goal? Anyone care to back up a guess or two what these universities are up to?
It's funny how educated people run the vast majority of most organizations, and yet education is the problem because you don't like some of those organizations.

There is a profound anti-science and anti-education sentiment that's growing. Which is actually anti-rational, as in irrational. And proudly so.

The problem with these kinds of things is that you can ignore reality for a little while, but reality always wins. You can pretend that polio vaccines don't work, for example, but eventually you're gonna get polio.

Similarly, you can pretend that education doesn't work for a little while and get away with it, and then the rest of the world eats your lunch because STEM is what is driving the human civilization forward, no matter what your opinion is about it. The funny thing about science (and engineering and math) is that it treats opinions - and censorship - as flaws to be routed around. And that includes groups that decide such things are safely ignored.
 

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Incels shouldn't be upset. They should be happy they have not been attractive to these women.

 

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It's funny how educated people run the vast majority of most organizations, and yet education is the problem because you don't like some of those organizations.



There is a profound anti-science and anti-education sentiment that's growing. Which is actually anti-rational, as in irrational. And proudly so.



The problem with these kinds of things is that you can ignore reality for a little while, but reality always wins. You can pretend that polio vaccines don't work, for example, but eventually you're gonna get polio.



Similarly, you can pretend that education doesn't work for a little while and get away with it, and then the rest of the world eats your lunch because STEM is what is driving the human civilization forward, no matter what your opinion is about it. The funny thing about science (and engineering and math) is that it treats opinions - and censorship - as flaws to be routed around. And that includes groups that decide such things are safely ignored.
Sort of like ignoring the reality that institutions of higher learning are at the forefront of suspension of fundamental rights, such as freedom of speech and due process?

Or ignoring the fact that these same institutions of higher learning are promoting policies from one side and not another?

Look...we all see what we want to see.

Nothing in what I quoted from you is necessarily wrong.

But it only addresses part of the equation...which is the part in which YOU wish to see change...just like 2ntnuf wants to see change from Antifa...just like I believe conservatism and libertarianism is spectacularly underrepresented in academia...and so on...and so on...

However, one should strive to be objective enough to see the entire picture, as opposed to the part of the picture that supports our own pre-conceived notions.

Ain't cognitive bias a mother ****er?

Partisanship. It will be the downfall of our nation.

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Pick a group, there are violent, stupid, impulsive people in it.

Whether you define the group by it's worst seems to depend on whether or not you agree with it. 2nt, prefers to just stuff random videos of people being stupid as an example of why everything they might believe in is wrong. More power to him, I guess, but I don't see any rational argument against anything that is going on.

We all agree here that violence is bad, people shouldn't destroy property, harm others, or whatever, in the name of whatever it is they are supporting. No one denies the truth of that here.

However, if you say that Antifa has some good points, it must mean you think we should destroy everything. I find it interesting that conservatives seem to be able to distance themselves from white supremacists and incels (even going so far as to blame liberals for incels, which is odd), but with liberals, we have to take them all and embrace them.

Apparently, I want to start fires, break windows, and kick people. Who knew.
 

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Thanks(to everyone) for participating. Please continue posting your personal opinions and discuss as you feel the need.
 
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