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Your SBTX is a heroin addict! Make sure you use this to your advantage for custody. Provide as much proof and documentation of this as you can. If this isnt a slam dunk for the court, then they are truly screwed up.
She hasn't used in years and hasn't been convicted of it for quite a few years.
With that being said, I was sure to bring it up anyway. My attorney had copies of her history. I'm not sure how much of an impact it will have since its been so long. The courts are not always logical. I should know the judges orders tonight.

Before we left court the other day he said until his provisional orders are in place, nothing changes. That feels like a good sign. Funny, the ex was furious and has been. Usually when my daughter is dropped off, shes late. Last night she was an hour late.
 
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Much of what you say is less about codependency and leans towards fear of her behavior. Men tend to get labeled codependent or nice guys when they are actually being abused. Sadly, people still think it is all about pain and strength, when it is really about fear and control. If society learned to accept this, abuse wouldn't be so gender divisive.
Her physical abuse hasn't taken place in years as well but, its taken a different form.
She follows a NPD playbook. Same phrases. Same actions. The gaslighting. Everything.
Every thought I had was dismissed as being some sort of problem I had. Every concern was imaginary. Every thing I did was wrong. (no matter how trivial).
And it got to point that I had unwittingly become dependent. So I was/am codependent BUT I don't believe i was prior. Before I met her I lived alone and casually dated for 8 years.
Now, I seem unable at times to think or remember clearly. Making decisions sometimes gives me a hard desire to contact her and ask her opinion.
I use to say to her that, "I don't sneeze without consulting you first". Then I thought I was being a good husband including my wife in choices and decisions. Now in hindsight, I know I was conditioned. There is so much more that I'm learning now about why things were the way they were. Now knowing that there was no compromise, she made excuses for everything she did, and the rest was my fault without exception probably has done significant damage. If you want to call that abuse then I have read that there is evidence that it is.
What once was physical just moved into another form.

As far as what you said about being afraid of her is dead on. I'm not frightened of this woman physically or what she might say.
I'm frightened of what she may do. She has the capability of completely destroying my life and has shown she lacks empathy of any sort. She is dangerous. Last week I was even thinking, "if she lost in court, would she get a gun and shoot me"?
 
Court went better than expected. She tried to paint me as an abuser and of course, it didn't stick....at least I hope not. (Because I'm not)
It came out that I have our daughter 80%+ of time. Even on days she could come get her daughter, she doesn't. Time that she has off of work, she still doesn't want to come get her. Her facebook posts were also added into evidence. Her staying up until 3 a.m. getting drunk and posting things (stating she is drunk) while she has our daughter cannot look good. She was also asked what time she gets off of work on mondays and fridays. My lawyer asked why she gets off so early yet I still have our daughter. No 3-4 hour visits, no 2 hour visits, not even a half an hour. I still have her when shes off work other than the 2-3 days a week we agreed on.
She put herself into a part time parent role yet she is asking for full custody.
The judge said that he'd like to have his decision by the end of the week however, until that time, nothing will change.
I don't see him changing anything since I have our daughter considerably more yet, I don't know. its a waiting game at this point.

My plan is in the event the schedule remains the same, I will postpone, postpone, postpone as often as possible as to create a lengthy time frame that I have had my daughter more. So if I can provide a record of several months of me having her more, than it can only benefit.
I do not feel she is worried about the welfare of our daughter, at least not to the extent that I do. If she cared as much as she would like people to believe, she wouldn't have demanded that I move into my mothers 1 bedroom apartment so that our daughter and I could sleep on the floor 5 days/4-5 nights a week.

They also asked why I have such a low paying job. My attorney then asked me "why" I have it. It was because of her wonky schedule and we wanted our daughter at home more than at a sitter and it was her idea idea that I take one for the team and take the job until our daughter hits first grade at least.

It doesn't seem that it went her way. I left the courthouse in a pretty decent mood. It actually felt like a small victory. Perhaps i'm being too optimistic. Almost everything they tried to use to make me look bad kind of backfired.

Seeing her on stand lying so effortlessly sucked the love for her I had out of my heart. It feels clear to me (i could be wrong) that she isn't as worried about her daughter as she is "beating me".
This is puzzling to me. How she can manufacture me as an enemy when I didn't do anything to hurt her baffles me but, I'm focused on getting past this.
It still hurts.
I'm still sad.
But.....i want her to go away more than I ever have.
Whenever her behavior confuses you, remember these two words...

Heroin addict
 
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Hexagon, by all means, tell your lawyer that you want to make this hurt her as bad as she hurt you. Ensure that you have hired a killer shark. You say that she wants you gone? You say she makes much more money than you? Stop being a doormat! Your lawyer immediately demands ALIMONY, big time. Enough to financially cripple her. Second, as she had the affair, you get the kids!!!! Hurray!!! BIG TIME CHILD SUPPORT. Oh and by the way, since you are going to be the custodial parent, you keep the house, and she pays for it. NEXT---since she is carrying on with another man, you make it mandatory, that if she brings her boyfriend around your kids, there are severe penalties, financial, and she gets reduced to supervised visitation.

I just love some of my female clients, who walk away and do not consider that in this day and age, if the woman makes more than the man, the courts are inclined to EQUALIZE.

In simple terms sir, she blindsided you with an affair, separation and divorce. She believes that you are not going to fight. Be quiet, be stealthy, and then.....make her feel as if a freight train did a u-turn in her rectum.
 
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Hexagon, by all means, tell your lawyer that you want to make this hurt her as bad as she hurt you. Ensure that you have hired a killer shark. You say that she wants you gone? You say she makes much more money than you? Stop being a doormat! Your lawyer immediately demands ALIMONY, big time. Enough to financially cripple her. Second, as she had the affair, you get the kids!!!! Hurray!!! BIG TIME CHILD SUPPORT. Oh and by the way, since you are going to be the custodial parent, you keep the house, and she pays for it. NEXT---since she is carrying on with another man, you make it mandatory, that if she brings her boyfriend around your kids, there are severe penalties, financial, and she gets reduced to supervised visitation.

I just love some of my female clients, who walk away and do not consider that in this day and age, if the woman makes more than the man, the courts are inclined to EQUALIZE.

In simple terms sir, she blindsided you with an affair, separation and divorce. She believes that you are not going to fight. Be quiet, be stealthy, and then.....make her feel as if a freight train did a u-turn in her rectum.
I'm actually actively trying to play the injured animal shtick.
The weaker I appear to her, the more arrogant she becomes. The more arrogant she becomes, the more mistakes she will make.
Her family isn't very bright. Her friends aren't very bright....you get where I'm going. She has surrounded herself with an abundance of bad advice. So, the general consensus in my camp is, if she has the rope to hang herself, she will. Its just a matter of time.
Also, Indiana is a no fault state so the affair doesn't matter and I will ask for spousal maintenance.
 
Her physical abuse hasn't taken place in years as well but, its taken a different form.
She follows a NPD playbook. Same phrases. Same actions. The gaslighting. Everything.
Every thought I had was dismissed as being some sort of problem I had. Every concern was imaginary. Every thing I did was wrong. (no matter how trivial).
And it got to point that I had unwittingly become dependent. So I was/am codependent BUT I don't believe i was prior. Before I met her I lived alone and casually dated for 8 years.
Now, I seem unable at times to think or remember clearly. Making decisions sometimes gives me a hard desire to contact her and ask her opinion.
I use to say to her that, "I don't sneeze without consulting you first". Then I thought I was being a good husband including my wife in choices and decisions. Now in hindsight, I know I was conditioned. There is so much more that I'm learning now about why things were the way they were. Now knowing that there was no compromise, she made excuses for everything she did, and the rest was my fault without exception probably has done significant damage. If you want to call that abuse then I have read that there is evidence that it is.
What once was physical just moved into another form.

As far as what you said about being afraid of her is dead on. I'm not frightened of this woman physically or what she might say.
I'm frightened of what she may do. She has the capability of completely destroying my life and has shown she lacks empathy of any sort. She is dangerous. Last week I was even thinking, "if she lost in court, would she get a gun and shoot me"?
What you just described earlier, as terrible as this may sound, is mainstream media abuse. Most people believe, "If a man hit me I'm out " or "Why won't she leave." and an entire host of blame the victim stereotypes. It is all about the black eyes, heavy make up and hidden bruises. To me, you just described what happens in a large majority of abuse situations. This happens because people do what you did, especially men, "ah it was a drunken outburst" or "she was letting off steam." Honestly, my personal favorite is "she can't hurt me any way I am a man." We actually have male posters who believe this statement. Yet, what people forget is the mental torture and manipulation which occur. The abused person being to tailor their life to avoid these outburst, even when the physicality stops. Now, I get why you left. I get why people agreed with why you left. I agree with why you left. Still, it doesn't change the fact you were manipulated into doing what she wants.

Most situations are all about fear and control. The physical acts are few and far between, they may even stop, but the intimidation lasts forever. She left you, but you continue to clear, contact and seek her approval. You do all of this KNOWING it will hurt you if you don't. At its base form, codependency is about a person NEEDING the other spouse or significant other to make their day or life. Nothing you have said details you need her, you fear her and her actions.

Go get counseling and tell your lawyer what is going on.
 
Court went better than expected. She tried to paint me as an abuser and of course, it didn't stick....at least I hope not. (Because I'm not)
It came out that I have our daughter 80%+ of time. Even on days she could come get her daughter, she doesn't. Time that she has off of work, she still doesn't want to come get her. Her facebook posts were also added into evidence. Her staying up until 3 a.m. getting drunk and posting things (stating she is drunk) while she has our daughter cannot look good. She was also asked what time she gets off of work on mondays and fridays. My lawyer asked why she gets off so early yet I still have our daughter. No 3-4 hour visits, no 2 hour visits, not even a half an hour. I still have her when shes off work other than the 2-3 days a week we agreed on.
She put herself into a part time parent role yet she is asking for full custody.
The judge said that he'd like to have his decision by the end of the week however, until that time, nothing will change.
I don't see him changing anything since I have our daughter considerably more yet, I don't know. its a waiting game at this point.

My plan is in the event the schedule remains the same, I will postpone, postpone, postpone as often as possible as to create a lengthy time frame that I have had my daughter more. So if I can provide a record of several months of me having her more, than it can only benefit.
I do not feel she is worried about the welfare of our daughter, at least not to the extent that I do. If she cared as much as she would like people to believe, she wouldn't have demanded that I move into my mothers 1 bedroom apartment so that our daughter and I could sleep on the floor 5 days/4-5 nights a week.

They also asked why I have such a low paying job. My attorney then asked me "why" I have it. It was because of her wonky schedule and we wanted our daughter at home more than at a sitter and it was her idea idea that I take one for the team and take the job until our daughter hits first grade at least.

It doesn't seem that it went her way. I left the courthouse in a pretty decent mood. It actually felt like a small victory. Perhaps i'm being too optimistic. Almost everything they tried to use to make me look bad kind of backfired.

Seeing her on stand lying so effortlessly sucked the love for her I had out of my heart. It feels clear to me (i could be wrong) that she isn't as worried about her daughter as she is "beating me".
This is puzzling to me. How she can manufacture me as an enemy when I didn't do anything to hurt her baffles me but, I'm focused on getting past this.
It still hurts.
I'm still sad.
But.....i want her to go away more than I ever have.
If you're not "bad", how did things turn out so bad?

It simply couldn't be "her fault"

The reptilian brain does not tolerate personal responsibility.

This is who you are dealing with.

Until you change the dynamic, this is how it will be.
 
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The court order came back. I have my daughter one night less a week bringing it down to 4 nights a week instead of 5.
Nobody pays support.
I'm confused as to why the judge did this after asking if our current schedule was working.

Now that I have been on the outside for a while, her behavior is telling. Her means of control are easier to see.
I do not speak to her very often outside of things regarding our daughter but a few days ago, she said a 3 things that allowed me to see who she really is and how she controlled me.
This was the day after court...
1. "You know, we could have handled this like adults. We could have sat down and worked all of this out. But you just had to get a lawyer and drag it out".
-Of course I'm immature for seeking legal council. =Control

2. "You know, I'm trying really, REALLY hard to be nice to you through this".

-This is another threat. The translation is "If I don't start getting my way, I'm going to make you pay".

3. "I don't think our friendship will be able to withstand what you're doing. Trying for custody. I just don't think I could be friends after this. Every time I see you, I'll think of you trying to take my kid away from me and I don't believe I could be friends after that".

-This is when I had to say something. I told her that ship has sailed. The friendship aspect is dead. The last thing she said was, "I need to go, this conversation is pissing me off". I told her I didn't care.
This was the last time she attempted a conversation with me and it's been over a week.


My feelings are gradually changing. Someone that would do this to their family....to someone they claimed to love, to their children...is a POS.
I do still miss what I thought she was but its going away. I wouldn't say that I hate her, just that I do not like her. When I see her during pick ups and drop offs, she irritates me without saying a word. When I do hear her voice or see her, it still stirs feelings but it doesn't ruin my day anymore.
There is something odd. She doesn't seem to want me anywhere near the house. She is more than willing to drop our daughter off each and every time.
 
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lol, 'her' child. Not yours AND hers.
I noticed that as well. Our child is an extension of herself.
I remember her saying that she didn't want to keep her from me. (she did when she first left. 4-5 days with no contact)
And that she didn't want child support.

In court not only did she ask for child support but full custody as well.
 
I noticed that as well. Our child is an extension of herself.
I remember her saying that she didn't want to keep her from me. (she did when she first left. 4-5 days with no contact)
And that she didn't want child support.

In court not only did she ask for child support but full custody as well.
Are you listening yet?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

Never listen to what they say, watch what they actually do.
 
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Are you listening yet?

When people show you who they are, believe them.

Never listen to what they say, watch what they actually do.
She has and continues to show who she really is. How could I have been so blind?
As much as I love my daughter, I have an unbearable amount of sadness that this is who her mother is.
 
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I have my ups and down days. Mostly due to sorrow for my daughter. The fact that the job I have is due to what decided to keep our daughter home more is now a punishment.
The financial depression is hitting me like a bag of bricks.

I made the mistake of holding her slightly responsible and asked her to give me a financial hand with groceries. I'm not in this position because of what I wanted to be so I asked her last night.....
Instant regret. I won't make that same mistake again.
I cannot find a job fast enough and the one I have isn't cutting it. The apartment I live in now showers me with depression the second I walk in it.
Having a hard time finding a solution. Thinking straight and on task has become a chore.
The last couple days have been super stressful. I'll find something soon. There is really only one way out of this hole and its up.


As long as you folks have been here, with all that you have seen, all of the stories.....
What are your predictions of the future? I would imagine that you have all seen so much that you can make an accurate prediction.
 
I have my ups and down days. Mostly due to sorrow for my daughter. The fact that the job I have is due to what decided to keep our daughter home more is now a punishment.
The financial depression is hitting me like a bag of bricks.

I made the mistake of holding her slightly responsible and asked her to give me a financial hand with groceries. I'm not in this position because of what I wanted to be so I asked her last night.....
Instant regret. I won't make that same mistake again.
I cannot find a job fast enough and the one I have isn't cutting it. The apartment I live in now showers me with depression the second I walk in it.
Having a hard time finding a solution. Thinking straight and on task has become a chore.
The last couple days have been super stressful. I'll find something soon. There is really only one way out of this hole and its up.


As long as you folks have been here, with all that you have seen, all of the stories.....
What are your predictions of the future? I would imagine that you have all seen so much that you can make an accurate prediction.
How many times have we told you to stop reaching out to her? Each initiative makes you look very weak - and feel terrible about yourself.
 
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