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Trump does not vacation. If he is anywhere it is going to another rally. Was it Trump in the WH Christmas day tweeting he was working? LOL He is permitted to tweet any time of the day like any other president.
Fact #1 - What Trump said he would do:
"I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." --Donald J. Trump, August, 2016

Fact #2 - What Trump has actually done:
By March of this year, Trump had spent 30% of his time in office golfing. To date, he has spent 224 days golfing and not in the office. Here is a complete list of his schedule, including times spent on the course (at taxpayer expense, of course):
https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings
 

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Words matter. I'll help you with what some of these mean.

"Mueller hoax" is a non-sequitur. The Mueller report was a highly constrained report, and nothing of a hoax. It was a report with findings in it. To assist further, here's the definition of a 'hoax:'

hoax
noun
a humorous or malicious deception.

I don't find the Mueller report humorous, nor is it deceptive. It is a report of findings that have been verified. If anyone was deceptive, it was Barr that totally misrepresented it's findings.

'lamestream' is not a word. If it's an attempt to invalidate the 'maintream' media, then my recommendation is to take off the tin foil hat, turn of Fox, block brietbart, and in fact, stop paying attention to American media sources altogether for balance. Try... BBC. Or even CBC. Almost anyone that actually does serious journalism instead of focusing on opinion pieces, from a place where facts still matter.

'Pelosi has no control of her party' - That's because Nancy Pelosi does not lead the Democratic Party, or the DNC. She is the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Current DNC leadership is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee#Current_leadership

'far leftists' - who precisely do you mean by this? Here's what "left wing" means in a political sense:

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

By extrapolation, a 'far leftist' would therefore mean someone that is extreme in their support of social equity and egalitarianism (equality). Is it bad to be equals? Does your constitution not say this? What exactly are you saying here by using it as a derogative - that people aren't equal, or shouldn't be?

swampists - this is not a word. I assume you are referencing corruption in bureaucrats or politicians, which has now been firmly established by the impeachment process. The swampists, as it were, now then include those that support Trump with the Ukraine scandal.

'Schiff has pretty lips' - I'm glad you find him attractive, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

...'that lie uncontrollably' - he has not, as far as I'm aware, been demonstrated to have lied about anything regarding the Ukraine scandal.

Sondland: "All I have is presumptions." This is in regard to the holdback of military funding aid, not the white house meeting, which he was directly involved with. If you are attempting to indicate otherwise, then this is disingenuous, and was not his testimony.

'weak coup attempt': This is not a coup. Here's the definition for you, because it literally does not mean what is happening:
coup

noun
1. a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

This is neither sudden, nor violent, nor illegal. Therefore, it is not a coup.

''crime'' - I assume you're using quotes because you do not think Trump has committed a crime. The Ukraine issue has yet to actually be adjudicated, so calling it 'alleged' is appropriate. However, I would call out that bribery is explicitly called out as an impeachable offense, and this very well looks to be bribery to me. We will see if history -- and the law -- judges it as such. However, to come full circle, it is also possible or even likely that Trump may face obstruction of justice charges as detailed by the events in the Mueller report, once he is no longer president and exempted from DOJ action.
It probably felt like you hit a home run as you typed this out, eh?
 

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It is true that those who don't like Trump take him literally but not seriously, whereas those who support Trump take him seriously but not literally.
 

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It is true that those who don't like Trump take him literally but not seriously, whereas those who support Trump take him seriously but not literally.


And, then there are those of us bored yet exhausted by him. He lives rent free in our lives and that is not what I want from my elected politicians.


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It is true that those who don't like Trump take him literally but not seriously, whereas those who support Trump take him seriously but not literally.
I don't believe this to be true.

What I do believe to be true is that "joking" is used as manipulation to normalize unethical behaviour, or as an escape hatch when caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

"You don't like it when I grab your ass in the office? Oh, I was just joking."

"You don't like it when I tell racist jokes? You don't have a sense of humour, I was just joking."

"I wasn't really asking for Russia's election interference even though I got it... I was just kidding!"

"That wall I promised that Mexico would pay for? Lol!"

I can't believe I'm going to quote a bible verse here, but here goes:
Proverbs 26:18-19
Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”
 

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What they say and how they vote are two different things. And I am not just talking about the Supreme Court. ALL the Federal Judgeships are in play. Right now Roberts is the Swing Vote. But if Ruth Bader Ginzburg kicks off, well, like I say, the Progressives are toast. If this not true, why did the Dems fight so hard on the last nominee? Don't kid yourself, the Dems know their policies are in deep doo-doo. Hell, even Obama has lambasted the Dem candidates for being too liberal. He knows Socialism won't sell. This is going to be a re-run of the '72 election. The only person who would have a chance beating Trump is Michelle Obama, and she says she ain't running.

Maybe not... I mean a deep red state like Utah just became the 19th State to ban conversion therapy. Sounds pretty progressive to me.

It’s not as if SCOTUS is going to reverse a bunch of rulings (some of which are progressive) to take away individual rights. They may bend more rights to states, but I don’t see sweeping changes ahead.

As for expanding Medicare, this is not likely to ever happen. But, I could see a Democratically lead Congress (House and Senate) fixing AHA (maybe add a public option or allow stares to offer one). Medicare and AHA have already been deemed constitutional by SCOTUS.

I think too many folks make too much of this exercise by the president. Most justices don’t rule based on ideology.



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The impeachment will be approved by the House. The Senate will not convict.

However, the impact on the election will be profound. The Democrats will flip the Senate and strengthen their hold on the House.

The Presidency will be in play.

Trump is likely to not get a second term.
The Republicans will be the ones who get more seats in the Senate and flip the House, and Trump will be re-elected in a landslide.

Other than that, you're absolutely right!
 

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President Trump wants this to go to the Senate. He wants a trial and
I believe he deserves his day in court so to speak. Since the hearings
went public the American people got to see the truth. Hear say and feelings,
no quid pro quo Sondland said that is what the President ." I want nothing."
Holding up aide to foreign countries has been done before for many reasons.
Ukraine President has said several times he felt no pressure
Hearsay cannot be presented in a court. Facts matter not a bunch of people
who are just upset because Trump won and changes foreign policy.

The Democrats in swing states are worried because they know there is nothing
impeachable. Their may even be a few Democrats that are good and want to do
things right. If they go along with this circus then they may lose their reelection.
If there is a trial in the Senate then Senators will not be able to campaign for
President either. They will have to be present in the Senate. This is going to bite
the Democrats in the rear end then. Impeachment, impeachment from day one.
President Trump and the American people are tired of this myself included.

The Democrats have no policies to run on. Just tax and spend, a wealth tax
does not work. Other countries have tried that and millionaires just leave.
The Democrats are promising stuff that can't deliver or pay for. Socialism
does not work you run out of other peoples money. Most of them leave and
take it with them. Then guess who they tax to death.

I hope this goes to the Senate and then the other on going investigations
show what has really been going on. FISA abuse and other possible criminal
activity. As I have said before if President Trump is guilty of high crimes then
he should go.No proof he has. If others have then the need to go. Jail time !!

Enough is enough the Democrats need to start doing their job.
What have they done but cry impeachment, impeachment

Vote them out







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Remember those policies Trump ran on? That Healthcare so great you wont even believe it? The wall paid by Mexico?

Why do the democrats get blamed for having nothing to run on, but some how the republicans do? What are they running on exactly? Not tax and still spend? Seems like a great plan.
 

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The #1 reason I have heard from conservatives, Constitutionalists, Republicans, and libertarians over the last 20+ years is judicial appointments. Primarily the Supreme Court, but lower federal positions, too.

The Republicans are less progressive when it comes to national tax and spend. They are less intrusive with regulation. While not ideal for sure, the Republicans are indeed different than the Dems in general. If the Dems were let run with their agenda without resistance, we would be destroyed in no time at all.
 

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The #1 reason I have heard from conservatives, Constitutionalists, Republicans, and libertarians over the last 20+ years is judicial appointments. Primarily the Supreme Court, but lower federal positions, too.

The Republicans are less progressive when it comes to national tax and spend. They are less intrusive with regulation. While not ideal for sure, the Republicans are indeed different than the Dems in general. If the Dems were let run with their agenda without resistance, we would be destroyed in no time at all.
If either side was left to run with their agenda without resistance, we would be destroyed.

This notion that Dems are the bad guys is something the republicans feed and use fear of things to drive votes. They run their whole platform on fear. Social medicine=devil, foreigners=devil, taxes=devil, poor people=devil

It is all a bunch of crap, neither side is destroying anything any faster than the other. It is amazing to me how the rest of the world looks at the US as we all fight like idiots, clutching at our crumbs like they are sustaining us.
 

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This country always goes down the crapshoot when one party gets the majority in both houses, wins the presidency and controls the courts. They are both bad left alone. But together, they get absolutely nothing done, which sadly is the best case scenario. The less they touch the better you and I and our economy/freedoms are. Here's to a divided house in 2020.
 

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I said outset that I believe Pelosi will ditch impeachment and go for censure to protect the Dems in the swing states and not have it go down in flames for lack of votes. The Dems may be too deep in at 'this point an Pelosi may be willing to strong arm these representatives to support impeachment and play the "swing state gambit" with these guys future come next election. Regardless of what happens, kicking Trump out will fail, he will be re-elected, and if the Dems maintain their majority in the House, there will be more investigations of Trump and maybe another impeachment attempt.
 

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I said outset that I believe Pelosi will ditch impeachment and go for censure to protect the Dems in the swing states and not have it go down in flames for lack of votes. The Dems may be too deep in at 'this point an Pelosi may be willing to strong arm these representatives to support impeachment and play the "swing state gambit" with these guys future come next election. Regardless of what happens, kicking Trump out will fail, he will be re-elected, and if the Dems maintain their majority in the House, there will be more investigations of Trump and maybe another impeachment attempt.


Trump will not be kicked out of office - only the House will vote for articles of impeachment, the Senate, lead by Sen Mitch McConnell, will acquit him.

As to whether he is re-elected or is a one term president remains to be seen. He has lost some level of support in at least two of the key states that helped him in 2016. We will all know 11 months from now.

Presidential elections are a tricky business and I think it is too hard to assume what will happen. I do believe that if president Trump ended all his recent tariffs, was able to get congress to pass the new NAFTA and negotiated a new TPP (isolating China) the economic indicators would help his campaign a lot. People can tolerate a bombastic moron as long as it does not hurt their wallet or retirement funds. As to whether it would be completely his fault or not, if we dive into a recession, his shoestring support will fade quickly. So, he could do more to help his own re-election but as to whether he is a one term president, that may be a bit beyond his control.


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President Trump wants this to go to the Senate. He wants a trial and
I believe he deserves his day in court so to speak.
No he doesn't and he will not show up to any court because both he and the Reps know he would commit perjury within 2 minutes as he has an issue with telling the truth. He has already backout out showing up this week when the Dems gave him an extension to either show up or send a lawyer.


Since the hearings
went public the American people got to see the truth. Hear say and feelings,
no quid pro quo Sondland said that is what the President ." I want nothing."
Pretty much the opposite, Sondland reversed himself and said there was a quid pro quo, you may have missed that. Also there is no evidence that Trump ever said "no quid pro quo" to Sondland.

Holding up aide to foreign countries has been done before for many reasons.
Not like this, it was already approved by congress and he didn't have justification to hold it up.

Ukraine President has said several times he felt no pressure
I wouldn't doubt it, he can't afford to alienate Trump because he needs our help.

Hearsay cannot be presented in a court.
Technically it can. There are 1st hand witnesses but the WH is preventing them from testifying.


Facts matter not a bunch of people
who are just upset because Trump won and changes foreign policy.
The facts show Trump is guilty which is why the Dems are forced to move on impeachment, there has to be consequences for his unethical and illegal activities. The Reps haven't put up hardly any defence which is understandable as the evidence is overwhelming.


The Democrats in swing states are worried because they know there is nothing
impeachable.
LOL, I'm not seeing this at all.

Their may even be a few Democrats that are good and want to do
things right.
They are doing the right thing, Trump has done dozens of things that would have gotten past Presidents impeached long before this.

If they go along with this circus then they may lose their reelection.
If there is a trial in the Senate then Senators will not be able to campaign for
President either. They will have to be present in the Senate. This is going to bite
the Democrats in the rear end then. Impeachment, impeachment from day one.
President Trump and the American people are tired of this myself included.
Trying to minimize/normalize Trump's behavior? They let him get away with obstruction of justice several times and turn a blind eye multiple violations of the emolument clause but this one is just way too blatant the the evidence is just sitting out there.

The Democrats have no policies to run on. Just tax and spend, a wealth tax
does not work. Other countries have tried that and millionaires just leave.
The Democrats are promising stuff that can't deliver or pay for. Socialism
does not work you run out of other peoples money. Most of them leave and
take it with them. Then guess who they tax to death.
Democrats are not Socialist and the Democrats have historically done a better job with the economy, budget and deficit. Fun Fact: 9 out of the last 10 recessions were under Republican presidents.
Find one thing the Republicans do better than the Democrats, I have look at the numbers and I'm having a hard time finding any reason to rationally vote for a Republican.


I hope this goes to the Senate and then the other on going investigations
show what has really been going on. FISA abuse and other possible criminal
activity. As I have said before if President Trump is guilty of high crimes then
he should go.No proof he has. If others have then the need to go. Jail time !!
Many people who have worked for Trump are in jail now, I suspect a few more will join them including Trump once he is out of office.

Enough is enough the Democrats need to start doing their job.
What have they done but cry impeachment, impeachment
The House has passed over 400 bills but Mitch McConnell(R) has not allowed any to go to the Senate. It's call the ‘legislative graveyard’, you may have heard of it.

TL;DR: Everything in your post was wrong.
 

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If the impeachment goes to the Senate and Trump is acquitted then
there will be screams of a cover up. Then the will want to investigated
that also. Mean while nothing gets done .
 
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