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The impeachment will be approved by the House. The Senate will not convict.

However, the impact on the election will be profound. The Democrats will flip the Senate and strengthen their hold on the House.

The Presidency will be in play.

Trump is likely to not get a second term.
Interesting. I predict the near opposite. Trump is unbeatable by anyone in the other party. I also predict the dems losing some seats over this.
 

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Imagine if Trump put as much effort into defending the constitution and enacting positive policies as he did doing the stuff that is likely leading to impeachment...
He has accomplished a lot. You will never see it but I do.:smile2:

Meanwhile, Nancy is doing nothing about her literally **** stained constituency.
 

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I think congress will impeach him.



The senate will hold a quick show trial, find him not guilty, and that will be that.



I also predict that in 10 years the GOP will be no more as a consequence when all the facts actually come out, are understood, and the aging pro-Trump voters die off, leaving both a party and supreme court that is entirely disconnected from their ideals, as well as disconnected with reality. Part of the reason I'm so fascinated watching this all play out is that I know my children will ask me how all this happened... when the dust settles, movies come out, and facts start to matter again.



America has a choice: fascism, or not. Eventually it will choose not. Along the way everything that Trump, Jordan, etc normalized, will come back to bite the GOP - and it's voter base - hard. Imagine how it will go when some Democrat claims executive privilege, to be above the law, and openly courts direct support from say, China. "Hey China, invent 'evidence' on my opponent that will get him in jail and get me voted into power, and all your trade problems will go away once I'm in office..." And the howls will come from the GOP, but it will all be OK now because Trump did it. Having US elections up for the highest foreign bidder will be normal. And if you're the rest of the world, are you going to want someone like Trump in office ever again? He's bad for everyone, economically. Math always wins, because it must. And since you're now totally open to foreign influence, what do you think will happen?



I also predict Fox will degrade even more into pure neocon opinion pieces, be sued into oblivion and disbanded as the sham of a channel that it is.



This whole thing will be a running joke or a tale told to frighten children for a decade. If it doesn't cause some kind of civil unrest in the process - which I still think it might. I do not think Trump will leave office peacefully until he decides to - even if he's voted out.
So I'm going to take a quick foray into the politics forum just to make an observation...while avoiding political opinions to stay true to my word about such... LOL.

We've seen similar apocalyptic statements at the end of Clinton...Bush...and Obama.

Pundits opine that it is the end of the party that just got swept.

I have a slightly more cynical view.

I don't think it matters whether it's Democrats or Republicans...by the end of either party having power for a significant amount of time, Americans (at least the non-partisan ones) have grown tired of politicians **** and are ready for a change.


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One thing is for sure, the impeachment will cause folks to dig in deeper to their fixed ideologies and create a deeper chasm between folks in this country.


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I think many dems are seeing how damaging to themselves this impeachment brainfart is becoming and will move to vote for a censure of the president instead. The republicans see it and want them to vote to impeach.

We will see how this particular scenario plays.

I have some verifiable doubts about the house even going ahead with the impeachment.
 

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One thing is for sure, the impeachment will cause folks to dig in deeper to their fixed ideologies and create a deeper chasm between folks in this country.


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That is my prediction.

The political system in this country is broken. Too many people would rather clamor over their ideological credos, hand over heart, than take action on the most pressing issues of our time --

-the worsening of the conditions on earth due to climate change;
-the failure of the health care system in this country, where more than 50 million people are uninsured or under-insured, and 500,000 people a year file for bankruptcy due to health care related costs.
-the disparity of wealth in this country, where more than 50% of people have seen a decline in real wages and standard of living for decades, while the rich and super-rich have so much money they don't know what to do with it, and they pay almost no taxes. Middle class households are paying a higher % of taxes than the super rich.
- the corruption of our political system by those who have the wealth and influence to buy and sell politicians. the autonomy of our political system from money has disappeared. Politics is money now, and the Supreme Court has abdicated from its responsibility to protect the constitution from such.

Nothing is being done. No action is being taken. And I don't think anything will be done until things become so bad that there is simply no other choice -- when it is change or perish. The powers that be will keep preventing any real change for as long as they possibly can.
 

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Without discussing the merits of impeachment of President Trump, how do you think the episode will conclude?

My thoughts are the Dems will pull the plug on impeachment to protect themselves from the fallout and will go with sanctions/censure of the President to inflect damage before the election.

It will end with Trump having one hand on his nut sack and the other giving the Dem-wits the middle finger while he goes on to win the election while stating "Impeach Deez Nuts !!!!"
 

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The impeachment will be approved by the House. The Senate will not convict.

However, the impact on the election will be profound. The Democrats will flip the Senate and strengthen their hold on the House.

The Presidency will be in play.

Trump is likely to not get a second term.
Man... do I hope that is true...

Unfortunately, I do not share your optimism.

I don't believe Trumps base will widen, but I also don't believe the democrats will increase the vote. Democrats are too fractured despite the rights insistence that we are all of the same ilk.
 

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As chief justice John Roberts had once told Trump, we don’t have Bush judges, Obama judges or Trump judges; there are judges that protect the constitution. As such history tends to show he is right. While most judges enter with some ideology, over time most bend toward justice for all, an allowance for majority rule but always to the protection of minority rights. As long as they judge fairly, the constitution will remain alive.


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What they say and how they vote are two different things. And I am not just talking about the Supreme Court. ALL the Federal Judgeships are in play. Right now Roberts is the Swing Vote. But if Ruth Bader Ginzburg kicks off, well, like I say, the Progressives are toast. If this not true, why did the Dems fight so hard on the last nominee? Don't kid yourself, the Dems know their policies are in deep doo-doo. Hell, even Obama has lambasted the Dem candidates for being too liberal. He knows Socialism won't sell. This is going to be a re-run of the '72 election. The only person who would have a chance beating Trump is Michelle Obama, and she says she ain't running.
 

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What they say and how they vote are two different things. And I am not just talking about the Supreme Court. ALL the Federal Judgeships are in play. Right now Roberts is the Swing Vote. But if Ruth Bader Ginzburg kicks off, well, like I say, the Progressives are toast. If this not true, why did the Dems fight so hard on the last nominee? Don't kid yourself, the Dems know their policies are in deep doo-doo. Hell, even Obama has lambasted the Dem candidates for being too liberal. He knows Socialism won't sell. This is going to be a re-run of the '72 election. The only person who would have a chance beating Trump is Michelle Obama, and she says she ain't running.
You really think Michelle could be a viable candidate?

I don't think she could beat Biden.
 

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What they say and how they vote are two different things. And I am not just talking about the Supreme Court. ALL the Federal Judgeships are in play. Right now Roberts is the Swing Vote. But if Ruth Bader Ginzburg kicks off, well, like I say, the Progressives are toast. If this not true, why did the Dems fight so hard on the last nominee? Don't kid yourself, the Dems know their policies are in deep doo-doo. Hell, even Obama has lambasted the Dem candidates for being too liberal. He knows Socialism won't sell. This is going to be a re-run of the '72 election. The only person who would have a chance beating Trump is Michelle Obama, and she says she ain't running.
Crying Wolf about socialism isn't working this time around. Since any kind of socialized health care, taxing the rich, and fighting climate change have all been branded as "socialist" by your fellow right wingers who are still stuck in the McCarthyist era and want us to believe in magic ("the markets will take care of everything!"), fact is that most Americans want this changes. So your cries of Socialism! are falling on a lot of deaf ears.
 

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The only person who would have a chance beating Trump is Michelle Obama, and she says she ain't running.
That could be the reason Obama's not endorsing Joe. History shows Obama claiming he ain't going to run and doing the opposite may appeal to his old lady.
 

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Crying Wolf about socialism isn't working this time around. Since any kind of socialized health care, taxing the rich, and fighting climate change have all been branded as "socialist" by your fellow right wingers who are still stuck in the McCarthyist era and want us to believe in magic ("the markets will take care of everything!"), fact is that most Americans want this changes. So your cries of Socialism! are falling on a lot of deaf ears.
PS Obama and the rest of the Dems who think they should repeat 2016 and tack to the center and keep the progressives at arms length are fools. Another "electable" candidate will be seen as more of the same Clinton neoliberalism that is now the problem, not the solution.
 

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Crying Wolf about socialism isn't working this time around. Since any kind of socialized health care, taxing the rich, and fighting climate change have all been branded as "socialist" by your fellow right wingers who are still stuck in the McCarthyist era and want us to believe in magic ("the markets will take care of everything!"), fact is that most Americans want this changes. So your cries of Socialism! are falling on a lot of deaf ears.
Pre my man, it appears that crowd running on the Dems sides go well beyond socialized medicine and upping the tax on the rich. If you like what San Francisco and LA is becoming, you'll love them.
 

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You really think Michelle could be a viable candidate?

I don't think she could beat Biden.
I think she would be an extremely viable candidate. She would have the missing voting block that the other candidates can't raise (except for biden).

Biden on the other hand doesn't have the youth vote which is what he needs to put him over the top.
 

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Agreed...He accomplished a lot, Unfortunately, mostly bad for the long term future of America (as well as the world).

You will never see it, but I do. :wink2:
Seeing things differently is apparent.

I'm happy with his job performance.

Human trafficking is getting hit harder than ever before and he even signed a cruelty to animals bill.

Unemployment is lower, across the ethnic board, than it ever was with Obama and the economy is recovering.
 

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I think she would be an extremely viable candidate. She would have the missing voting block that the other candidates can't raise (except for biden).

Biden on the other hand doesn't have the youth vote which is what he needs to put him over the top.
I wouldn't give her a snowballs chance. Even if she edged out the Democratic candidates, not difficult, she would wither against Trump.

Be super interesting to watch though.
 

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I think that nothing will come of the impeachment either not being done or being shot down in the senate.

Ultimately, all of it from both sides will further the divide in the country and the next election will continue to do the same. Trump is abhorrent to the left and the right thinks everything center to left is 'extreme'.

People will continue to stay divided, the gaps will widen, and the rhetoric will become more toxic. The haves will continue to have, and the have nots will have less. All as we progress towards an eventual upheaval.

Any rational candidate from the left is demonized by the right and Trump will continue to play on the fears of the average American. Unless the youth and ethnic votes show up, Trump will win, because his base is a rabid group.
 
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