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My wife and I have been together almost 30 years and a month ago she told me that she didn't want to be married anymore (it was the old "I still love you but I'm not in love with you and it's not you, it's me). She said that we had grown apart and that she couldn't see spending the rest of her life with me.

A week later she admitted to having an affair that had been ongoing for six months (he lived in another city but they both traveled on business and would meet up in different cities to spend nights together). I happened to see her phone one day and found a 40 message text thread. They claimed to love each other and were definitely sexually involved. He found out that I found out who he was when I Googled him and read his profile on LinkedIn (at which time he ended the relationship with my wife because he didn't want his wife to find out). My wife was pissed at me because I looked at her phone and that he ended their affair so abruptly. She also said that the affair had nothing to do with why she wanted to end our marriage (I think perhaps it emboldened her to want to move on and enjoy life as a single woman).

We went for couples' counseling and in our second session, my wife also admitted to a one night stand several years ago (but claimed that it didn't mean anything as it was only a one night stand). When the therapist asked if she had any other intimate relationships with other guys, my wife said that she had lots of opportunities, but only did it with these two guys.

We just separated a week ago and are trying to figure things out (my wife has said that she's not sure if moving on is the right thing and that she may be making the biggest mistake of her life). I hate her for what she's done to me (and to our family) and that she could be so uncaring for our relationship as to sleep with two other guys (one of whom she was sleeping with for six months and claimed to love).

The problem is that I still love her more than life itself and think that I may be able to get past what she's done because we have almost 30 years invested in our relationship. I think I can forgive her but know that I will never forget what she did.

HOW CAN I EVER TRUST HER AGAIN. My wife has always been a very selfish person. It's always been about her, and what she wants. Even if we get past all of this and reconcile, how do I ever trust her again. If she's working late in the city, traveling on business, or has a dinner meeting - how do I know that she hasn't slipped into another affair or is screwing some random guy? I am the jealous type and this is driving me crazy. She now tells me that she is sorry that she told me the truth about her affair and her one night stand (apparently lying came easy to her).

No matter how good things are with her in the future, I will always have that nagging doubt in my mind. She tells me that she had the affair because she was filling a void. She's a narcissist and needs constant adoration by others (she has told me so many times over the years how many guys have hit on her because she is so beautiful and successful). I worry that no matter what I do to make her happy, that some guy will smile at her, tell her wonderful things, and they will end up in bed together. I think it will drive me crazy for the rest of my life.

Should I move on? Is it possible to ever trust her again? The logical side of me says end the relationship and find someone who will be much more of a giver (my wife has always been a taker). The romantic side of me says I've loved her for 30 years and even though I know it's crazy, I can't stop.

I need advice as I'm really on the fence.
 

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Big hug to you. I'm in a very similar situation, but my H is still talking to OW & living here.

I haven't even thought of whether I could trust him again, since he doesn't even know if he wants to work on our M.

I feel for you!!!
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I hate it for you bro but it sure sounds like she checked out of the marriage awhile ago. I'd ask her to move out. Her response will be a tell-tale sign. At the very least it'll be a wake-up slap in the face to her.

She doesn't appear to respect you. Hard to cahnge that.

Oh, and I'd probably expose the other man to his wife.
 

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We have been living in separate bedrooms for the past three weeks and she just moved to her own apartment last weekend. I won't rat the other guy out to his wife as she's done nothing wrong (and it's not my place to make her miserable). There are other issues with the two of them but as long as it's over (and I'm sure it is) - it's no longer an issue.

I agree that my wife checked out a long time ago (she said that this has been a long time in coming) and that she must have so little respect for me to be able to easily do this with the long term affair partner (after she admitted the affair to me but before I found out the details, she would text him right in front of me and when I'd complain and tell her that she needed to end the affair , she'd tell me not to push her to make a choice as I wouldn't like the choice that she would make).

I know I allowed myself to be a doormat for her but love makes you do funny things.
 

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I hate it for you bro but it sure sounds like she checked out of the marriage awhile ago. I'd ask her to move out. Her response will be a tell-tale sign. At the very least it'll be a wake-up slap in the face to her.

She doesn't appear to respect you. Hard to cahnge that.

Oh, and I'd probably expose the other man to his wife.
Probably? PROBABLY.?

Expose the posom. Do it today.
 

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You've been married for 30 years. You know your wife is selfish, narcissist, needs constant adoration by others, cheated on you twice (that you know of). Got angry at you for messing with your affair because she is filling a void. She considers doing you a favor by only having two affairs out of all the offers she had from other men. She still works at the job that allows her to travel and cheat.
Why do you think after all this time she will suddenly change her tune for 30 years?????? Actions speak louder then words. You say you love her more then life itself. Why? How has she deserved that love? You put her on a pedestal and all she does is take a dump on you from above.

You know you are a doormat and continue to love a women who doesn't love you. Also you wont do whats necessary to end the affair by exposing the affair to the OM's wife. If you do your wife already told you she'll leave you. This marriage is over and your in denial. Your low Self Esteem makes you do stupid things.
 

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We have been living in separate bedrooms for the past three weeks and she just moved to her own apartment last weekend. I won't rat the other guy out to his wife as she's done nothing wrong (and it's not my place to make her miserable). There are other issues with the two of them but as long as it's over (and I'm sure it is) - it's no longer an issue.

I agree that my wife checked out a long time ago (she said that this has been a long time in coming) and that she must have so little respect for me to be able to easily do this with the long term affair partner (after she admitted the affair to me but before I found out the details, she would text him right in front of me and when I'd complain and tell her that she needed to end the affair , she'd tell me not to push her to make a choice as I wouldn't like the choice that she would make).

I know I allowed myself to be a doormat for her but love makes you do funny things.
Expos to other man's wife.

If you want her to respect you, you need to expose, and you think you 'don't want to make her miserable' thats a lie.

You just don't want to have to take action, but please don't tell yourself and try to spin it like your silence is doing that woman any favors or anything.

Her marriage is most likely crap, just that she doesn't know the exact reason WHY it is.

You need to expose. Puts your wife in her place, helps OMW, and gains you respect.

If you want to hide their affair then all you are doing is assisting them as their accomplice.
 

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Yes Expose, Yesterday.

Also when they say "I don't know if I want to commit to our marriage".......In English its means "NO"
 

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My wife and I have been together almost 30 years and a month ago she told me that she didn't want to be married anymore (it was the old "I still love you but I'm not in love with you and it's not you, it's me). She said that we had grown apart and that she couldn't see spending the rest of her life with me.

I got pretty much the same thing, your marriage is over

A week later she admitted to having an affair that had been ongoing for six months (he lived in another city but they both traveled on business and would meet up in different cities to spend nights together). I happened to see her phone one day and found a 40 message text thread. They claimed to love each other and were definitely sexually involved. He found out that I found out who he was when I Googled him and read his profile on LinkedIn (at which time he ended the relationship with my wife because he didn't want his wife to find out). My wife was pissed at me because I looked at her phone and that he ended their affair so abruptly. She also said that the affair had nothing to do with why she wanted to end our marriage (I think perhaps it emboldened her to want to move on and enjoy life as a single woman).

Tell his wife anyway, fvck him up. Nobody gets to fvck your wife and get away with it. TELL EVERYONE, family friends, etc., embarrass the sh!t out of her. Do it now so you can say you were very upset at the time instead of trickling. Maybe she will wake up, but doubtful.

We went for couples' counseling and in our second session, my wife also admitted to a one night stand several years ago (but claimed that it didn't mean anything as it was only a one night stand). When the therapist asked if she had any other intimate relationships with other guys, my wife said that she had lots of opportunities, but only did it with these two guys.

It is what she admits to, there could very well be more, but who knows.

We just separated a week ago and are trying to figure things out (my wife has said that she's not sure if moving on is the right thing and that she may be making the biggest mistake of her life). I hate her for what she's done to me (and to our family) and that she could be so uncaring for our relationship as to sleep with two other guys (one of whom she was sleeping with for six months and claimed to love).

The biggest mistake was already made. Now release your anger, file for divorce. If she isn't falling all over herself RIGHT NOW trying to make things right, she ain't gonna make things right. You are setting yourself up to be her plan B. Maybe forcing her hand will wake her the fvck up, but I doubt it will.

The problem is that I still love her more than life itself and think that I may be able to get past what she's done because we have almost 30 years invested in our relationship. I think I can forgive her but know that I will never forget what she did.

Same with me, but there is such a thing as tough love. Release her to see if she comes back.

HOW CAN I EVER TRUST HER AGAIN. My wife has always been a very selfish person. It's always been about her, and what she wants. Even if we get past all of this and reconcile, how do I ever trust her again. If she's working late in the city, traveling on business, or has a dinner meeting - how do I know that she hasn't slipped into another affair or is screwing some random guy? I am the jealous type and this is driving me crazy. She now tells me that she is sorry that she told me the truth about her affair and her one night stand (apparently lying came easy to her).

Good luck with that one, I can't. Tell her you have demands if she wants to R. If she baulks at any of them, it's time for you to D. You have to force HER hand. She will show you immediately. My wife wanted me to work for her. Someone who wants back in will work for you.

No matter how good things are with her in the future, I will always have that nagging doubt in my mind. She tells me that she had the affair because she was filling a void. She's a narcissist and needs constant adoration by others (she has told me so many times over the years how many guys have hit on her because she is so beautiful and successful). I worry that no matter what I do to make her happy, that some guy will smile at her, tell her wonderful things, and they will end up in bed together. I think it will drive me crazy for the rest of my life.

I assume you are at least 50 years old. It was easier for me because I am younger. Starting over sucks, but with the internet, a little working out and new clothes, you will be up to your eyeballs in poon in no time. Chicks are digging me already and I am not even divorced yet. The same will hold true for you as long as you aren't a pu$$y about it.

Should I move on? Is it possible to ever trust her again? The logical side of me says end the relationship and find someone who will be much more of a giver (my wife has always been a taker). The romantic side of me says I've loved her for 30 years and even though I know it's crazy, I can't stop.

I can't make the decision for you, but it sure looks like you will have your work cut out for you. File for divorce out of the blue. Tell her she has hurt you deeply and if she wants to truly work on us, she will have months to do so. The marriage is not over until the papers are signed. Stop telling her you love her, no pet names either, no affection. Do the 180, it works for you and could bring her back, but don't count on it.

I need advice as I'm really on the fence.

Get off the fence and make her work for you now, or just sh!tcan it all. She will show her true intentions eventually. Remember this, a 50 year old woman cheater has a much worse chance on her own that a man like you. You will be swimming in chicks and she will be cast aside. Just wear a condom. The largest growing STD population is in your age group.
 

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Wow - this is all really helpful (and consistent with what my friends are telling me). It is so helpful just to be able to talk with others who have gone through the same thing. I really appreciate everyone's support.
 

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I won't rat the other guy out to his wife as she's done nothing wrong (and it's not my place to make her miserable). There are other issues with the two of them but as long as it's over (and I'm sure it is) - it's no longer an issue.

I know I allowed myself to be a doormat for her but love makes you do funny things.
TELL THE OM's WIFE NOW. Do it or you will regret it later. I will put money down that the affair will start again, at least she thinks it will.

The OM obviously doesn't want her to know, he will probably try to save his marriage like you are, and really kick your wife to the curb. They are lying in wait right now. Even if he does leave his wife for her, you aren't losing anything but a cheating spouse. She will cheat on him too.

STOP BEING A DOORMAT. Grown some nuts, NOW!!!! I know it is tough, but everyone here sees exactly what is going on. You see through your own clouded lovey eyes.

It has happened a million times before and will a million times more. All of these people here know what they are doing. File now, so you can be rid of her sooner and cruise for chicks. OR, get her back on board sooner.

P.S. When you expose and she gets mad at you for telling his wife, you know she is gone and is playing you.
 

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We have been living in separate bedrooms for the past three weeks and she just moved to her own apartment last weekend. I won't rat the other guy out to his wife as she's done nothing wrong (and it's not my place to make her miserable). There are other issues with the two of them but as long as it's over (and I'm sure it is) - it's no longer an issue.

I agree that my wife checked out a long time ago (she said that this has been a long time in coming) and that she must have so little respect for me to be able to easily do this with the long term affair partner (after she admitted the affair to me but before I found out the details, she would text him right in front of me and when I'd complain and tell her that she needed to end the affair , she'd tell me not to push her to make a choice as I wouldn't like the choice that she would make).

I know I allowed myself to be a doormat for her but love makes you do funny things.
You say you don't want to make his wife miserable. So, you let it go, let him live a lie, ready to hop in the sack with some other woman. You have no idea what this man has been exposed to in the past. You really have no idea if your wife has told the entire truth about how many other men she has slept with. She could have picked something up and passed it to you or even to the OM without knowing it. Or, the OM could have done the same thing to your wife or his wife. The OMW needs to be aware of what a POS her husband is. And it's very possible she DOES know, and just doesn't have the PROOF because he was deleting everything. She deserves to know what she's married to.

As Kasler pointed out, it's about respect. What the OMW does with the information is up to her, but you need to tell her, if for no other reason than that she can get tested for STDs, which he could very well have brought home to her.

Tell the woman. Personally, I'd be LIVID if someone knew my husband was cheating and didn't say anything to me because they felt "it isn't my place to tell." That's a cop out.
 

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TELL THE OM's WIFE NOW. Do it or you will regret it later. I will put money down that the affair will start again, at least she thinks it will.

The OM obviously doesn't want her to know, he will probably try to save his marriage like you are, and really kick your wife to the curb. They are lying in wait right now. Even if he does leave his wife for her, you aren't losing anything but a cheating spouse. She will cheat on him too.

STOP BEING A DOORMAT. Grown some nuts, NOW!!!! I know it is tough, but everyone here sees exactly what is going on. You see through your own clouded lovey eyes.

It has happened a million times before and will a million times more. All of these people here know what they are doing. File now, so you can be rid of her sooner and cruise for chicks. OR, get her back on board sooner.

P.S. When you expose and she gets mad at you for telling his wife, you know she is gone and is playing you.
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HbtW,

Similar story here... at 30 years marriage, find out my wife has been serially cheating for the last 6+ years of marriage, the last was her new "soul mate" and was planning to leave for Fantasy Island el pronto.

A major concern you have... Trust. In truth, you will never fully trust your wife again regardless of R or D. That being said, you can still have a relationship. If you R, you get to join us in the "Trust and Verify Brigade." Just the way it is.

Memories... Honest, you will never forget. Her betrayal is now apart of your marriage. Whether you can live with it (the 800 pounder in the corner)... only time knows. In 6 months to a year or two you will be given your answer. There just no crystal ball when it comes to R.

Lastly, stop with the "Man Law" bs and expose the OM today. I sense you somewhat worry/concern that it will make your wife mad and she will react. Do you understand... you need to know exactly her reaction to this exposure. It will give you an idea of the "Trust" that you wonder about. Regardless, would you wanted to be in the dark if the roles were reversed.
 

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I thought it was rather funny that she got mad at you for getting to the truth of the OM and him finding out and dropping her. It shows that he wasnt willing to lose what he had (his wife, family, etc) for your wife. That should tell your wife how little she really meant to him! You should keep reminding her of that!!

You really need to tell the OMW. I understand you dont want to stir up a mess for her or her children but she needs to know what/who she is married to. If they choose to work on it then her eyes will be open to who he really is and next time it wont be so easy for him. And not to be rude to you in any way, but maybe she will go nuclear on her husband and it will put your wife in her place since you cant!
 

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I did many silly, seemingly weak things when my Ex wife walked, but exposing the affair to the other woman was the proudest thing I did for myself.

It blew the secrecy of the relationship out of the water, it didnt stop it, but boy it had to go deep deep underground.

Until the OM's wife left him :)
 

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HOW CAN I EVER TRUST HER AGAIN. My wife has always been a very selfish person. It's always been about her, and what she wants. Even if we get past all of this and reconcile, how do I ever trust her again. If she's working late in the city, traveling on business, or has a dinner meeting - how do I know that she hasn't slipped into another affair or is screwing some random guy? I am the jealous type and this is driving me crazy. She now tells me that she is sorry that she told me the truth about her affair and her one night stand (apparently lying came easy to her).

No matter how good things are with her in the future, I will always have that nagging doubt in my mind. She tells me that she had the affair because she was filling a void. She's a narcissist and needs constant adoration by others (she has told me so many times over the years how many guys have hit on her because she is so beautiful and successful). I worry that no matter what I do to make her happy, that some guy will smile at her, tell her wonderful things, and they will end up in bed together. I think it will drive me crazy for the rest of my life.

Should I move on? Is it possible to ever trust her again? The logical side of me says end the relationship and find someone who will be much more of a giver (my wife has always been a taker). The romantic side of me says I've loved her for 30 years and even though I know it's crazy, I can't stop.

I need advice as I'm really on the fence.
Well isn't that what all of us are going through, there is no way to ever completely trust her again you just have to make a decision- step into the unknown, leave and make new life for yourself, or can you live with the daily pressure(hell torture) that given her personality she will probably do this again.
I should know I deal with the same thing, she is so selfish that you know there WILL come a time where she cheats again, after all that void she has needs to be filled and unfortunately there are enough scum who will be ready to jump in if given the opportunity.
So back to it, start anew with the opportunity to find someone who will treat you with love (although this is never a sure thing), or stay and hope that this incident will wake her up and she will be faithful to you (a gamble).
Which way to choose? Who knows I still haven't figured it out, don't know if I will or I can, not strong enough probably never will be.
 

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OMW is pregnant and has almost lost the baby several times (from what my wife tells me). I'd hate to be responsible for pushing her over the edge (if that is indeed the case). OM told my wife that he was in a loveless marriage and that he had planned to leave his wife (isn't that always the case) but then his wife tricked him into having another baby (sounds like a Lifetime movie). With her pregnant, he couldn't leave her. That said, when he found out that I knew who he was, he dropped my wife like a hot potato. He said that he couldn't afford to put his pregnant wife at risk. I say that it was all fun and games until he was at risk of getting caught.
 

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Whoa... I want to ask you what do you think love is?

Does the person you decide to love need to have any kind of traits or values that matter to you?

A woman who will have an affiar with a man who's wife is home pregnant and has suffered the tragedies mentioned to me is nothing but evil... Does the person YOU CHOOSE to give your life to need to have any kind of qualities? Please think about this.
 
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