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Good Man vs Bad Boy in Long Term Relationships

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Question: How do you feel about your wife describing you as a "Good Man" in a LTR? Does it seem a little condescending to you, or is that the goal?

Background: We've been married nearly 30 years with three children, one of whom will soon be married. We're approaching an empty nest soon when the youngest goes off to college. This happens to coincide with me retiring from the military. I wanted to do what I could to facilitate this major transition for us, hence me discovering this site and others like it.

My wife and I are very close, as most military couples who endure long absences often under dangerous conditions often are. I have loved her since our first date (it took her a bit longer) and she loves me. I have no question about that.

Here's my topic. When describing me to others, my wife will typically play up my stability and reliability. Yes, I fix things around the house that are broken, mow the lawn with an almost OCD fervor, attend Church, spend time with my kids doing things we enjoy, check their homework mercilessly and insist they keep their rooms clean. I buy her flowers on all the major holidays and sometimes just because I felt like it. I have never paid a late fee on a bill. I love my puns, and my social media posts vacillate between pictures of my kids and sharing memes that I (and probably only I) find funny. I actually read (mostly) the annual prospectus on my IRA funds. In short, I'm a suburban Dad.

However, I've been successful in an inherently dangerous career, am a former moderately competent fight sport athlete, can lift way more weight than most men my age-and many younger men-at real gyms (I've never had a Planet Fitness membership, thank you). I've run multiple marathons with respectable times, worked my way through college as a bouncer, drove a motorcycle (not for a long time now, though...life insurance is way too expensive at my age) and have more than one tattoo. When I'm pissed, I've been told I can be quite intimidating. Plus, in all due modesty, I really rock a shaved head. In short, under the right circumstances, I'm kind of a badass ;)

So, here's my first-world-problem question: would you rather the person with whom you regularly have sex think of you as a "Good Man" or "Bad Boy?" When she wants to show appreciation, if you must choose, should it be in the form of making your favorite meal or greeting you at the door in nothing but lingerie? When she imagines you, should it be Monkey Wrench or Monkey Sex?
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Conan- should we start a "Real men like Austin and Hallmark" thread? I'm in.
Austin and Hallmark????

Oh. I get it.😉
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Trigger Warning: I know a lot of folks have opinions about Jordan Peterson, but I found this video interesting and germane to this discussion:
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Question: How do you feel about your wife describing you as a "Good Man" in a LTR? Does it seem a little condescending to you, or is that the goal?

Background: We've been married nearly 30 years with three children, one of whom will soon be married. We're approaching an empty nest soon when the youngest goes off to college. This happens to coincide with me retiring from the military. I wanted to do what I could to facilitate this major transition for us, hence me discovering this site and others like it.

My wife and I are very close, as most military couples who endure long absences often under dangerous conditions often are. I have loved her since our first date (it took her a bit longer) and she loves me. I have no question about that.

Here's my topic. When describing me to others, my wife will typically play up my stability and reliability. Yes, I fix things around the house that are broken, mow the lawn with an almost OCD fervor, attend Church, spend time with my kids doing things we enjoy, check their homework mercilessly and insist they keep their rooms clean. I buy her flowers on all the major holidays and sometimes just because I felt like it. I have never paid a late fee on a bill. I love my puns, and my social media posts vacillate between pictures of my kids and sharing memes that I (and probably only I) find funny. I actually read (mostly) the annual prospectus on my IRA funds. In short, I'm a suburban Dad.

However, I've been successful in an inherently dangerous career, am a former moderately competent fight sport athlete, can lift way more weight than most men my age-and many younger men-at real gyms (I've never had a Planet Fitness membership, thank you). I've run multiple marathons with respectable times, worked my way through college as a bouncer, drove a motorcycle (not for a long time now, though...life insurance is way too expensive at my age) and have more than one tattoo. When I'm pissed, I've been told I can be quite intimidating. Plus, in all due modesty, I really rock a shaved head. In short, under the right circumstances, I'm kind of a badass ;)

So, here's my first-world-problem question: would you rather the person with whom you regularly have sex think of you as a "Good Man" or "Bad Boy?" When she wants to show appreciation, if you must choose, should it be in the form of making your favorite meal or greeting you at the door in nothing but lingerie? When she imagines you, should it be Monkey Wrench or Monkey Sex?
The answer is both, that’s the ideal.
Trigger Warning: I know a lot of folks have opinions about Jordan Peterson, but I found this video interesting and germane to this discussion:
It's just smart to listen to him because of his vast knowledge of actual data.

Truth has always been pretty damn offensive anyway, you know?
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I enjoy Peterson. I think he tries to shoehorn evolutionary psychology nuggets into his cultural world view (and I'm wary of folks trying to do that), but he is generally fair with his data (IMO). I think there was a study at McGill U in Canada that looked at top womens fantasies and many were pretty aggressive. Another McGill researcher did a study on porn findings (mirroring Peterson's google engineer story):

Quantitative and qualitative analyses of the data show that the majority of both men and women reported that they did not enjoy aggressive content. However, in contrast to common conceptions among most scholars and pundits, it was women, not men, who were more likely to report being aroused by aggression, mainly consensual aggression toward women, which was perceived as pleasurable. Women were also more likely to report actively seeking for aggression and wanting to see more aggression in mainstream pornography.
Shor, E. Who Seeks Aggression in Pornography? Findings from Interviews with Viewers. Arch Sex Behav 51, 1237–1255 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-021-02053-1
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Odd. Most of the guys I know who served, I would not consider Alpha males.

To me, an Alpha doesn't necessarily like or adhere to prescribed boundaries, control. Etc. These are the types of traits that service personnel need to adhere to in order to be successful. I suppose higher ranking officers are probably Alpha as you need to be in order to be a successful leader of men. None of the people I know that served ever became higher ranking.

I think people(not saying you) believe that alphas are "tough guys" the brash types that like to throw their weight around. Or as you say "dominate"

IMO nothing about that type of behavior indicates a true Alpha. In fact, often the loudest one in the room is the weakest.

Alphas are recognized more by body language and other subliminal cues, many are often very quiet and reserved.

Thank you and all others who have served.
There is so much truth in this.

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Trigger Warning: I know a lot of folks have opinions about Jordan Peterson, but I found this video interesting and germane to this discussion:
I've seen that one before. He always has some interesting ideas that just seem to make sense.


@oldshirt I think this video speaks a bit to what you were saying in another thread about open communication, even about difficult sexual topics.
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