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So...been through Sex In Marriage, Coping With Infidelity, and now here I am. Divorce. One could say TAM has failed me and my marriage...but I know that couldnt be further from the truth...my W did that. My thread has been a roller coaster ride for almost a month now. And my life has been that for nearing three months. With the help of this forum, professionals and friends, I find myself serving my STBX papers coldly and calmly, as if it were easy.

But it isn't. As much as she has acted as a cold and heartless succubus with no conscience in these last few months, I know deep down that isn't true, as I loved her and took care of her for 8+ years, and received the same and more from her the entire time...before the change came. My friends and family have told me (pretty much ALL of them, separately) that they never would have expected her to do what she did to me these last few months (cheated, lied, denied, blameshifted, lied, cheated again, lied more, projected, lied, and guilted ME for it). They all told me how fiercely loyal she was...and I agreed, and pointed out how much I always loved that about her. She would punch Pacino in the d**k if he said anything bad about me (proverbially, of course...but seriously, she would have done it if necessary.)

A couple years of regular work travel, and one day it's all over. And now she is too, as are we. She became infatuated with some dou**e selling her a story of why I am not deserving of such a sexy, fantastic, fun-loving girl, actually fell in love with him over a few months of chronic texting, ph calls and video chat sex (and then PA) on the road, and handed over our marriage to him. I felt it, gathered evidence and tried to stop it, but she chose to continue and let it happen against my strongest wishes...testing my strength.

My strength, which I didn't remember I had, my friends and this forum have brought me here. I am gone, moved out, shocked that my months of overtures, pleas, then calm demands and demonstration of massive self-improvement for the sake of our marriage have gone essentially unnoticed and disrespected. She has no money (at the moment at least), no dogs (we've raised and loved two from pups over the last 7+ years) and now she has to maintain a house she can't easily afford by herself now that I've moved out.

Now I'm sending process servers to make the clock start ticking...because she is showing me she doesn't CARE that she f***ed some guy while married to me, her husband, lover, friend. She wants me to think it's my fault SHE did these things. The things I had to do to discover proof of this are "sick" to her.

And tonight I find myself knowing I'm doing the right thing...but also having a hard time blocking out all the good memories...there are so many. What do I do with them? Sell them on craigslist? Feel so strong about 95% of the time...then I accidentally run across a picture or two as I'm setting up my computer gear in my new apt, and I'm crying w my dogs for an hour. Grown man, in charge of the sitch, many steps ahead of her at this point in the D. But wish I could take that 5% and shove it up her *** for what she's done to my great memories. I want them all back so I can throw them away. But I can't. The good times were great, but she is gone now, and now so am I...all I hear from her now is how I'm a (insert your negative descriptor) for effing with people's lives, never anything about her months of planned adultery being wrong in any way.

Tomorrow is attempt number two for her to be served. Hope she answers the door this time. Let's get this ball rolling so I can feel good again. Different every day, forgive my apparent weakness for love lost...

My attorney tells me to put being "nice" right out of my head...does it get easier to do that, or am I in for months of method acting to end this (newly defined) sham of a marriage?

No pun intended. FML.
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Mayhem - yeah, no big remorseful anything from W. I guess that's okay at this point. We're gonna do this the way we're gonna do it, and I can't force her to feel, or at least tell me about it. Most of what she tells me is related to her, and the mess she's in...she's not saying it in a mean way, just clearly realizing that while this sucks for us both, she's coming out on the bottom end of this, logisitically and emotionally.

She never responded or questioned the list of A expenses that I gave her, so I can only take that as an admission of defeat in what I know about it.

Either way, it's done and filed now, so time to look forward.

I'll do my best to avoid rebound pitfalls, but honestly have no idea what to expect. How do you separate true feelings for someone new with feelings that seem true, but may just be tied to the thrill of a new connection after losing one? From what I understand the dopamine reaction is the same, and it's REALLY FUN. So to have to second guess myself is a little unusual. Used to just going with it...I suppose I'll just take things slow (reasonably) and try to be careful...
 
#1,142 ·
Sham, it maybe time to block her number from your phone and to set a mail filter on her. I mean you don't hang out with a tumor after you have it cut out.

Maybe you'll run into her one day years down the road after she's had years of her drinking problem and being the party tramp and be shocked at how badly she has aged.
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Or maybe she will be fit and happy and the wiser for the mess she made of her life. Best to hope the best for her. Fate is strange whose knows, in the years to come Sham may be fat and bald and on his 3rd wife. It happens.

Although I can understand the sympathy for Sham do we have to go to the sl@t word? No one calls men pigs who have sex when they want. In fact if i remember there have been more than one post egging Sham to have lots of sex with radom women. Wouldn't he be a pig and destined to live in a rooming house with Fido for a friend?

Is that for all women, or just women who are not interested in having sex with the judges?
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I feel like I just put down a long and captivating chapter book. I know the epilog is still to come but I have a feeling that Sham will be riding off into the sunset soon.
 
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Tell me about it. I just spent the better part of the last two days, reading the entire 2-volume post! Wow. Heart was pounding during the whole thing. Hard to believe this was just the past few months. It was like watching a slow-moving train wreck. Reading in catch-up mode was maybe worse. Could see the crash coming...but...powerless to stop it.

Sham - Wow...what a story. As much as my heart has been torn apart the past few years......I can't imagine it being ripped out, spit on, stomped upon, sliced in pieces...and thrown back into its' original cavity.....as was yours. The entire story was both painfull to follow....but also...inspiring to see one can survive. But then....survival isn't quite the mission, is it. I hope your heart heals, and can feel the warmth (again) that only a loving/trusting partner can provide.

I hope you continue this saga (though...I wouldn't know what topic to continue it under.) I'm sure we are all curious how the Sham 2.0 makes out, in life. And, let's face it.....we ALL want to know what happens to the Ex. I'm sure most of us secretly wish the ending scene opens to reveal her deep inside some gothic convent, wearing a comfortable (but plain) habit...washing a mound of dishes.......
 
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Quick question - anyone else ever have bouts of feeling sorry for their WS?

I'm having a great time with Red and we're making plans for a trip in the near future, etc...and it seems like at the moment my anger is tapped out for what my STBXW did, and today I'm thinking about her situation...how embarrassed she must be, how her friends and coworkers and parents know she effed up her life over a few lousy lays and a fantasy (even if she was planning to leave me at the time), how as a result she now drives a comical beater car that takes two people to fill up at the gas station (one pushing the gas cap button and one prying the gas cap open), has 10 years of bad credit coming up and most likely a bankruptcy in the next few months...all of it. Perhaps she just hasn't been a b**** to me lately, so I'm feeling something besides anger and justification?

All of that said, I'm surprised she's keeping it together as well as she is - at least at the moment. Sure, she's been drinking too much (though is supposedly not keeping any wine in the house anymore) and is busy with work again, but I put myself in her shoes today and it SUCKS. I bet she wants her life back...but she CAN'T HAVE IT. Because she was bored and horny and some douche stoked the fire, and her "friends" and coworkers encouraged her to act so incredibly hurtfully to me, and to herself. Just stupid.

Why on earth do people do these things to themselves??
 
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Quick question - anyone else ever have bouts of feeling sorry for their WS?
My journey is shorter than yours but I have thoughts of sympathy towards my W. The problem is, I have always had these thoughts. She came from a troubled background and I have always been the one to sort the problems. I have always made exceptions because of her background, made excuses for her behaviour and I have even shouldered the blame when it was not me at fault.

I think I am now paying the price for not dealing with the problem at the outset. :(
 
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I'm not a karma believer, but it sure looks like karma mack truck ran her over. :(

It's a matter of personal integrity. I say if you go back to her childhood where her parents shielded her from the all of the consequences they could. This usually forms a person who doesn't think they can do any wrong - even if they promised before God and all that they would be faithful, loyal, and true.

Sorry for you, Sham.
 
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Sham, it is not unusal to feel sorry for her at this stage. The scars are still quite fresh for you and she WAS the person you committed your life to. That takes time to move beyond and you can't help but wonder why someone would do something so damaging to themselves.

As for her getting on right now, she basically told you she wanted a life apart from you and screw you if you don't like it. Now, she has to paint the rosy picture of not only being ok, but actually being happier now, just to show YOU she made the right choice. Chances are, she will have a very hard fall when she finally stops kidding herself and accpets the reality of what she did, if she ever accepts it.

Q~
 
#1,162 ·
Oh well, she can remind herself that it never had to happen. She had a wonderful man and a great home, but...

...it never had to happen.
 
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#1,163 ·
Sham, have you ever heard about the 5 stages of grief or DABDA? Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I think you are at the stage of acceptance. I've been divorced from my first wife for 21 years now and she is still imploding on a daily basis. She has burned every bridge in her life and still refuses to do any introspection. I spent years worrying about her and wondering when she would wake up and change, not for me or anyone else, but for her own good. It still hasn't happened and probably never will. I think that there is a sixth stage when you just don't give a damn anymore. I'm done worrying about it but it's still astonishing to watch someone that I once loved dearly make horrible choice after horrible choice to the point where she has nothing to show for her life but broken promises and regrets. I hope that your STBXW doesn't end up like mine. She probably won't, my case is rather extreme but only she can make those choices for herself. It's really rather cool to see that you have gone through this as quickly as you have. It's all down hill from here for you. Hang in there and God bless.
 
#1,165 ·
Most likely for the first time in her life, she hasn't been shielded from the consequences that naturally come from her choices.

If she is a smart, bright, capable person - she will learn from this experience and grow, and change. If not - she'll probably be similar to Harusty's ex, drowning in the bottle cause she screwed up and lost the best thing that ever happened to her.
 
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Based on her actions since DDay, I'm going to vote that she won't learn and adapt from this experience. She hasn't hit BOTTOM yet.

I do find it pretty amusing that she has to drive a car that requires 2 people to fill the gas tank though. Makes me feel better about my 97 chevy astro van that requires 2 people to open the hood!

Keep smilin'!
 
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Yeah, I wonder if it's too soon to say I'm at the Acceptance stage of DABDA, but I guess it's possible if I'm done bargaining and am not feeling depressed or angry anymore. That said, my therapist told me that the thing about the 5 stages is that you continue to cycle through them over the process. Whee! Can't wait for round 2, if that's true...sheesh.

Anyway, yeah I hope her life doesn't devolve into complete s***, but not much I can do about it either way. I hope she talks to her family eventually...she told me she hasn't seen them (and has barely talked to them) since I left. She isn't even going to see them at Thanksgiving...says she's not ready to see them yet. That blew me away, tbh. The two people who would support her no matter what, her parents, and she's still avoiding dealing with them because she's embarrassed.

Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving y'all, hope we all remember the countless good things we have in our lives.
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#1,169 ·
She's pretty much screwed Thanksgiving up too. Christmas is bound to be worse. This is a very sad thing. It would be great if people would just stop and think how their actions are going to play out down the road.

I pity her but pity won't help her. Maybe a prayer or two.
 
#1,168 ·
Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

One note on your STBX and her parents. Are you sure she somehow isn't also angry at them? It's her fault for the choices she's made, but are you sure there isn't some family history you don't know about that she learned it was OK to have something on the side?

Obviously she'll be embarrassed too, but consider the possibility.
 
#1,172 ·
Understandable, even though she dumped on like a big dog; y'all had a life together. Its a sign of a healthy psyche to occasionally have feelings like that as well.
 
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Back home...had an awesome roadtrip. Red joined me. Celebrating the signed and filed papers. We spent 6 days in a car together and survived. Flourished, actually. Ballsy move, I know. But totally worth it.

My therapist says he's happy for me. And that I've totally ignored his advice, and should be dating, but have plenty of grieving left to do before I spend that much time delving into a new relationship. Eh. I'm as cautious and open as I can possibly be with her. Mk II is enjoying his new options and life. I'm on good terms (considering) with my stbxw, we're both moving on in our own ways. Therapist is a good guy. But I've only known him for a few months...and once a week...for $135 a pop. So take that for what it's worth. Had a blast on the trip.

Call from the lawyer today. Divorce got kicked back from the judge because stbxw fired her lawyer (going with my guy only, because we're agreed on the terms), and now they need new papers signed without him listed on there...judge wants to make sure she isn't getting screwed by using my lawyer only. UGH. Talked to stbxw and we both actually laughed. It's kind of at the point where we both just wanna submit a note to the state saying "HEY. We're in agreement here, and actually okay with what we submitted. Can we please have a friggin divorce???". Now I have to pay my lawyer more money to re-configure the papers and then we both have to sign AGAIN. This is stupid. But whatever.

Hit the gym like a mad man today, sweated like a wildebeast. So ready for this divorce I can't even describe it. Sad state of affairs still, sure. But in the classic American parlance of our times: IT IS WHAT IT IS. I need to be done now. So does she.

Come on, STATE!!
 
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Yeah, don't move too fast with the Red thing, make sure of two things: one, you're not blinding yourself to Red's actual self just because you are used to being a couple. Look very carefully for red flags. You don't have to break up with her if you find any, but file them away for later.

two, make sure you reconcile your newfound power with your ability to wield it. You have discovered just how strong you are, now be very careful not to use it to run over someone else. Good women do exist in the world, so don't over-apply the alpha to one and beat her down. Spiderman rule applies here.
 
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