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Finding phone evidence despite anti-spy apps installed

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I have some solid suspicions that my wife has an affair.

It looks like she is having a long-distant affair over the past few months, with someone that she's met a few times, while keeping a text kind of relationship in the middle.

My issue is that I have reached the top of the possible findings on her Google profile activity and her Facebook messages with her friends. She has installed anti-spy apps on her phone, so it looks difficult for me to find an angle there.

I would like some technical advice on how to get into her phone despite these anti-spy, anti-theft etc protective apps. Also, if you have some other alternatives, for example stuff like spy-pens, if any of you have tried them and have feedback it would be useful. But I know that her phone has immediate answers and I am looking for some ideas on how to get into it without triggering alarms or safety windows combined with notifications or whatever else these apps do.

To be here and asking these things, means that I have almost solved the case by myself, but I need a solid and undoubting evidence of her infidelity. Please, I would appreciate if you wouldn't ask questions about me being sure or the ethics of it. I am sick and tired and frustrated and I need something in my hands, because if I doun't I am 101% sure that she will try to deny it and turn it back to me.

Thank you in advance.
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Steal her phone and take it to a forensic expert.

I agree with the others that you have all the info you need.

Stop obsessing about catching her and just pull the plug.

Tell her you aren't happy.
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WHich is why I need to know if this has actually happened or maybe there is a chance to beging rebuilding at some point
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There is no chance to begin again because she fell out of love with you and she does not want to fix your marriage. Even if she never actually cheated, she has still expressed the desire to get out of your marriage.
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If you can delete the whatsapp and reinstall it will ask if you want the previous chats installed
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But if she's wise enough to procure and install different Spyware, shes savvy enough with tech to probably catch that option.
He asked for possible solutions.

I agree, this wife is good at hiding her actions.

He could put a hidden camera (with sound) where she might talk with her beau.

When the cheater is this determined to not get caught, don't drive yourself crazy, just divorce and ghost them.

Our poster wants ironclad proof.
With the way she covers her tracks, he may need to wait until they meet up again.

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Kag...

End the drama and charade.
Do yourself a favor and just end the marriage.
It is not a marriage worth saving even if she were not involved with another man.

Depression is real.

Often, the depressed person drags their partner (and any children) into that hole they find themselves in.

Both of you will find relief when you are divorced.
This will be better for the children when that dark cloud that their parents bring about, recedes.
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I can't think of my life without my kids and her. I have endured a lot the past year, reaching my hand and becoming the better version of myself. She doesnt grab my hand and it feels that the distance is growing. I still have feelings for her. I love my kids that I am willing to sacrifice everything to stay near them. I grew up without a father and I dont want them to be raised in the same way. But if she actually cheated like I have been seriously implied into as of yesterday, it would be something that I know I wouldnt be able to come back from.
I feel for you man, it is an ugly situation. I get it that you can live without the affection, for now, but her giving it to someone else is a line you aren't willing to cross. Unfortunately you may get to a point where you will realize you will never find that smoking gun and you will have to make the call on the circumstantial evidence you have.

Have you considered telling her exactly how you feel right now? That you want to keep the family together. That you are willing to wait for her to figure herself out in therapy, but you need to know that she is being faithful to the marriage while this is going on and you want to have mutual open access to each other's phones, as a way to promote transparency, open communication, and build trust within the relationship.
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I love my kids that I am willing to sacrifice everything to stay near them.
I sense some codependency in your writing. Staying in a dead marriage and sacrificing your happiness
for your kids isn't at all helpful to them. It actually teaches them the wrong ideas about marriage.
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She has asked from me to give her some time to sort out herself and feel better, away from a depressive state with the professional help too, and that she cannot begin rebuilding without feeling better about herself first. I hear it. I saw she wrote the same thing at her friends' chat so it is checked. I cannot rebuild if part of her feeling better about herself is an affair.
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My limited findings were from our shared computer. I have reached the top of any possible findings there, from some texts that she forgot to erase like she usually does at her messenger group with her bffs, and some limited google findings like her search history. The combination of these two, along with other leads have brought me to a point where I can see what is going on but the evidence in my hands can be doubted as there is no clear confession other than implications.

I know that the apps she is using to text are Whatsapp and Viber to which there is no other access than her phone. Her phone call app might give me something more solid too.

I believe I could sneak her phone and try to unlock it at first, but I am afraid that an installed app might create a notification, an alert or something as I know it would take a few attempts to unlock it. This would backfire on me, I would begin to confront her based on what I have in my hands and, judging by other people's confessions here and by her own personal attitude too, she would deny it strongly as long it is not a very clear evidence.

The 3D print looks kind of exaggerated, I would prefer using her actual finger when she is asleep to unlock her phone but it would be a very difficult situation to explain, if I get caught in the act.

I will try to take a look if can turn off or uninstall a safety app through the desktop mode of Playstore - thanks for the advice even though I kind of doubt that it could actually happen.

Has anyone used a spypen before? I was thinking of putting the pen where she usually studies at the office when I am gone. Is there any way to get caught? Maybe a small sound or a small light, something that could betray the existence of the pen?

Writing and reading the above makes me want to die. I hate myself for what I am becoming. I just want to go and tell her the things I want even with the leads, not evidence, that I have right now. Then I see my kids waking up in the morning and I just want to cry and hug them and I can't stand the idea of not waking up in the same house with them any more. I am sick and tired and angry and I just want some closure.
I think a VAR would give you the evidence you need placed were she talks on the phone since she's locked down her phone. Never tried a spy pen tho
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She has asked from me to give her some time to sort out herself and feel better, away from a depressive state with the professional help too, and that she cannot begin rebuilding without feeling better about herself first. I hear it. I saw she wrote the same thing at her friends' chat so it is checked. I cannot rebuild if part of her feeling better about herself is an affair.
Are you afraid to talk to her about how you feel and what you need to remain committed to the marriage?
I am not sure, because I only managed to see her browsing history on Google Play Store. She searched for a few ones, like Anti Spy Detector - Spyware, but I am not sure wich one did she install.
Why can’t you just look at her phone?
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Women really screw men's hearts up!
Actually, I would say that men who can't take no for a damned answer and instead continually cling like grim death to a woman whose told him and shown him over and over that she's DONE with him emotionally cause their own pain.

OP, how many more WAYS does this woman have to tell you she's DONE? Find you dignity for god's sake.
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I cannot rebuild if part of her feeling better about herself is an affair.
This is a good analysis on your part.

She (likely) is using her affair partner to feel better about herself.
This is generally a very common practice in all relationships, those that are proper, casual, or ugh, underhanded.

Do what you need to do.

She will eventually make a mistake, if that is the slippery road she wants/needs to travel down

I agree, that bridge too far is her giving herself to another man( EA or PA).

I recommend putting a time frame on trying to heal your marriage.

No more than one year, if things to do not improve.

Obviously, if you actually catch her in an affair, then pull the plug.
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She has asked from me to give her some time to sort out herself and feel better, away from a depressive state with the professional help too, and that she cannot begin rebuilding without feeling better about herself first. I hear it. I saw she wrote the same thing at her friends' chat so it is checked. I cannot rebuild if part of her feeling better about herself is an affair.
Hey since she said that, that means she is having an early emotional affair and you are a plan B.
start with adding a voice recorder in her car and one in the house in a room she uses the most.
do you have a feeling who that guy might be? and how she would know him?
I would make it clear to her that you need access to her phone, no conversation deleting, and no spy or anti-spy.

Dont over think that you would lose your kids - our brain tricks us to think the worst and think of scenarios that never happens. even in worst-case scenario you still can get at least 50% custody. and if she is having an emotional affair I'm sure she will agree to give the kids 100%.

Do the following
1- Be stronger, think positive, stay in command of the situation, respect yourself and believe you always deserve better
2- add two voice recorders, one in her car and one in the house in areas you think she make the calls the most
3- monitor phone logs from the provider
4- work on yourself - work out and look better.
5- find out where her about
6- notice if she dresses up better at home and makes an effort to look prettier at home. that's a sign she might be video-calling the guy, if there is one.
7- separate your money, have your own checking account. build savings away.

hint every once and a while that an emotional and physical affair are the worst thing that could happen to a guy ( as a side talk). and tell her you to consider talking to guys (even as friends) is cheating (watch her reaction) if she becomes defensive then this is your prove.

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OP,

You need to realize that she gave up on your relationship a while ago, and even she claims she doesn't know if and when she can get it back.

All that anti spy, logging who tries her phone... that is all an effort to subvert only one person, and that person is you. She doesn't want you on her phone, because there is damming evidence on there. Think about it, what other possible explanation for that is there? There isn't one.

With that, you need to operate with the 90% rule (what is the most likely outcome).... which is that this likely ends in divorce.

Once you accept that you are likely divorcing, begin preparing yourself for that.... workout, improve yourself, think through all the aspects that will come up in divorce etc.

During this time, have a private investigator ready to go... have him get the evidence. But you really don't even need that if you just open your eyes to and accept reality....
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It feels genuine. She texted her BFFs the same things that has told me in person, that she has no feelings, she feels bad about her life and she needs to find herself back. When she does so, she says she can try for things to go better between us but she doesnt know when she will feel better and if she will think that the best thing is to try anyways.
if there is no affair or another man she is talking to. then this is normal response from someone in pre depression. you can still walk yourself through it to her. body language, flowers etc....
this is normal for women after having kids to go through. being from southern europe we have somewhat similar backgrounds. Men tend not to help as much in the house or communicate emotions. confirm there is no other guy, then walk yourself to her.

again, if there is no guy in the picture then her pre depression is described as: someone in a small dark cube in the ground with closed doors. you cant just break the door to her. you to slowley make her feel that you are behind that door waiting for her and supporting her, making her feel safe in a way. then open the door slowly and extend your hand.

Communicate better,
help in the house more,
buy flowers
do romantic silly things (leave notes on fridge, bathroom, her closets between her clothes)
go on a date together - dont need to call a date, tell her you want to spend time together. even as small as park walk, park game. then Park games with kids as a family.
make yoursef look better - dress better like your younger version - be trendy.
start with small - not big changes then walk your way through it.

by the way, if her BFF really care about her, then from their messages they should be able to convince her to stay in marriage.
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I would just tell her that you saw that she installed anti-spy software on her phone, and if she refuses to uninstall it and let you see what she's doing, you'll take that as evidence of infidelity and initiate divorce proceedings on that basis.
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There are kids, finances etc involved so I need a crystal clear evidence, otherwise she will deny it and gain some time at least to clean everything out. Knowing her for years, I would like to end this with a clean cut otherwise it won't work and she will deny it and throw the blame back to me.
Evidence gives you NO advantage in divorce and custody or the finances involved unless she was spending huge amounts of money AFTER you filed for divorce from your joint assets. Even then, all they want is the financials. They don't care why. You're spinning your wheels for nothing. Court doesn't care about cheating. Even if you proved she cheated, there is NO proof you didn't also cheat, so it's a moot point and simply not anything the courts deal with. You can't blackmail her into financial and child custody submission by gathering evidence on her! This will not give you the upper hand! It will only make her dislike you more.
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If she has a I Phone, you could purchase a new or used I Pad and link it to her phone.
And, give it to her as a gift.

You would secretly need to be the Administrator so she does not lock you out of that also.
I think she's too smart to fall for that .
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You know, if your spouse is already convinced your cheating to the point of monitoring you and putting spy apps on your devices, a lot of people might think they might as WELL cheat, even if they weren't before since they're already getting blamed for it.
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