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This is the answer. Now that you have expended the resources to confirm the truth, YOU, YOUR ASSETS AND YOUR WELL-BEING ARE THE PRIORITY. Period.

Some on this thread seem to be writing a “movie script” … with revenge, possible murder and people left in poverty. THIS RARELY HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE.

I was (retired now) the CTO of an engineering company started in the 90’s. My 3 partners and I started the company. It is still in business today with 25 (or so) employees. In the early 2000’s the CEO (a partner) started an affair with his executive assistant. The affair was discovered by the other partners and the CEO’s wife.

The EA was fired immediately and later sued the company for sexual harassment :rolleyes:. The CEO’s wife divorced him. We, the partners, wanted him gone, however there was the costly problem of buying him out of the company, which at that point was worth several million dollars. Lawyers were involved and the only solution was personal signature loans (secured or unsecured) to buy him out of the company. None of us were willing to mortgage our futures to that degree so he is still at the company to this day. All we were able to do, in the end, was maneuver him into a position where any shenanigans would not affect the company in future.

The above is what usually happens in real life in these situations. We all had professional licenses, along with licensing agencies, just like lawyers. These agencies are not concerned with adultery they are rather concerned (and do something about) criminal professional conduct. My point is that there is little you can do to “ruin” McD.

Cut these amoral cretins out of your life asap, move on, heal and live well. And leave elaborate revenge plots to the screen writers.
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GD:
In the US if you are the primary under your health and prescription plan you can usually log on and see the name of the prescription and the prescribing doctor. In addition, you are usually sent a statement when a prescription is filled unless it is paid for in cash. WW's medical records can be subpoenaed if necessary. Even if WW pays in cash the prescription is in the medical records. I do not know what the system is like in Canada.

You have an excellent attorney, and I am sure he is well versed in getting this information. It is always easier and cheaper to get the information yourself and hand it to your attorney. Your WW is under the illusion that she has you duped and may have filled the prescription under the insurance plan. Just call your healthcare benefits and ask for a list of prescriptions prescribed during a certain period or at the end of the month.

If WW had a surgical procedure ( Curretage or D & C) because it was too late to use the pill it will be on the insurance statement and medical record. You can go online, or the statement is usually mailed to your home. Your WW and POSOM might know an unscrupulous medical provider who might perform the procedure for cash. So, no medical or insurance trail. This is where your PI earns his money.

Check your wife's credit card or bank statement for large cash withdrawals.

Consult your attorney.

On a lighter note. I have repeatedly told you to not drink and hit the gym. It might not be a bad idea to pack a bottle of good single malt scotch and sip a little with your brother. One or 2 pours, just enough to take the edge off and lighten the mood.
I'm sure you can go to any provider and say you aren't using insurance and will direct pay.
 

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The doctor will still create an electronic or written medical record which can be subpoenaed.
But there is no crime here.

why would a court subpoena a confidential medical record for a medical procedure that is legal and protected by law (I’m assuming abortion has legal protections in Canada)

proof of an abortion is not required to secure a divorce and I doubt if this prenup has any stipulations regarding abortion so there would be no purpose in issuing a subpoena.

there are a lot of hoops and hurdles and federal red tape to subpoena medical records in actual criminal cases.

issuing a subpoena of confidential medical records of a consenting adult fooling around with her boss at work is not realistic.
 

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A subpoena can be issued in a civil case.
Perhaps it "can", but as I said above, getting medical records subpoena'd in actual criminal cases requires a lot of hoops and hurdles and the crossing of T's and the dotting of I's and has to be of just cause and legitimate purpose.

Why would a judge stick his neck out and risk being on the local news for subpoenaing an abortion record for some gal screwing her boss?? As I said, there has been no crime here. Abortion is legal. Chicks screw their bosses all the time. Proof of an abortion is not required in a divorce case. I doubt if their prenup has any secrete abortion stipulations.

There would be no benefit or purpose for the court.

Now maybe Canada is different. But I question whether there would be any relevance.
 

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This is the answer. Now that you have expended the resources to confirm the truth, YOU, YOUR ASSETS AND YOUR WELL-BEING ARE THE PRIORITY. Period.

Some on this thread seem to be writing a “movie script” … with revenge, possible murder and people left in poverty. THIS RARELY HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE.

I was (retired now) the CTO of an engineering company started in the 90’s. My 3 partners and I started the company. It is still in business today with 25 (or so) employees. In the early 2000’s the CEO (a partner) started an affair with his executive assistant. The affair was discovered by the other partners and the CEO’s wife.

The EA was fired immediately and later sued the company for sexual harassment :rolleyes:. The CEO’s wife divorced him. We, the partners, wanted him gone, however there was the costly problem of buying him out of the company, which at that point was worth several million dollars. Lawyers were involved and the only solution was personal signature loans (secured or unsecured) to buy him out of the company. None of us were willing to mortgage our futures to that degree so he is still at the company to this day. All we were able to do, in the end, was maneuver him into a position where any shenanigans would not affect the company in future.

The above is what usually happens in real life in these situations. We all had professional licenses, along with licensing agencies, just like lawyers. These agencies are not concerned with adultery they are rather concerned (and do something about) criminal professional conduct. My point is that there is little you can do to “ruin” McD.

Cut these amoral cretins out of your life asap, move on, heal and live well. And leave elaborate revenge plots to the screen writers.
I think there are a lot of pie-in-the-sky hopes and dreams taking place here of what will happen to WW and McD.

This is an office affair. No more and no less. Almost every office and work place across the land has some level of shenanigans taking place somewhere at any given time. There are likely more senior partners/executives/bosses etc that have fooled around with a secretary at some point than haven't,, and there are likely more young purdy secretaries that have have had some level of shenanigans at some point in their lives than haven't.

If every lawyer got disbarred for getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, there would be very few if any licensed attorneys out there. If every senior partner got ran out of the firm for diddling the secretary, every agency would be run by associates.

While distasteful and unsavory as it may be, this situation is just another office affair. Not to belittle the heartache of people who's lives and families are upended, but this is just another pair of sleazies bringing their dirty laundry into the workplace.

Is this going to end with some tears and some disruptions in normal daily life for those involved? Yes, there's going to be plenty of tongue-clicking and head shaking and even some tears going around.

But is WW going to be laying prostrate and broken in the front yard in the pouring rain begging repenting for her sins and begging for forgiveness? Probably not. She may end up out of a job, out of a marriage and applying at Costco to pay for her new apartment since she's likely not going to be getting any alimony or a share of GD's premarriage assets.

And likewise, MdD is not going to get disbarred for diddling the secretary and while his fellow partners may not appreciate the disruption of office productivity or the stain on the name of the firm when this all breaks,,, but they've all diddled a secretary to two in their time as well and while they may like the idea of him quietly deploying his golden parachute and announcing his retirement and moving along to the golf course with as little fanfare as possible, the reality is they are going to ultimately accept whatever personally costs them the least out of their pockets as Red Sonja has described above.

Will Barbie divorce McD and take the Lexus and the china and the silver service set and a nice monthly allowance with her? Maybe. But that depends on if she thinks she will live a better lifestyle with her share of the assets and spousal support per their prenup or if she thinks she will be better off with him and whatever revenue stream he has going forward.

In the end, no one really cares. In a month or two, someone else at the office will be the center of the drama and this will be yesterday's news.

Best course of action for GD is do what the lawyer says. Protect his own assets the best the law and his prenup allows. And get these two pukes out of his life as promptly and efficiently as possible and get on with his own life.
 

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What he seemed surprised by was really McD’s coldness. He felt that, in light of the context—that they had just screwed, and then were discussing such a weighty subject—that his combination of callousness, command, and coldness (how is that for three Cs?) was emblematic of someone lacking a moral compass. But it wasn’t so much a case of two lovers plotting my demise.
Just to be clear, I think that killing you is very, very unlikely. The point I was trying to make is that people without a conscience have no moral guardrails and everything is on the table for them, so I don't want you to ignore your gut instincts if you feel something is wrong, don't want you to expect them to roll over and give up without a nasty fight, and don't want you to think they'll fight fair or cleanly. Be on your guard.
 

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As another posted mentioned, GD you have only been married a short time so spousal support if any could be partially offset by the amount of resources spent on unnecessary legal fees to make this a more complicated case than it probably needs to be as well as more PI fees and charges, you don't need permission or any proof to D, you already have enough proof to know she's been banging McPOSOM for a long time now and that she's most likely pregnant with his child.

Simply instruct your attorney to file for D and have her served immediately to end this farce of a M, just move on from this nightmare and don't forget to get tested for STDs, some could remain dormant for years.

OTOH If I was in your shoes I would blow up their world by exposing the A just because of the disrespect alone and her huge betrayal (I don't care if some would call it revenge or pay back), but only if the assets she's entitled to are considerable, only then would I be willing to sign an NDA with them, otherwise I would simply blindside them and have her served at work, ask your attorney if taking this route is better for you and always follow his advice, get some needed rest with your brother and give us an update next week when you're ready.
 

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At this point GD and mostly his lawyer, have to determine if whatever prenup they have will help GD at all. If it‘s determined that it won’t hold up, I’d file immediately and get this divorce done.

Otherwise, trying to get enough evidence for the prenup to hold water might take more time.
P.I. pics of OM shirtless in the window can be explained enough to cast reasonable doubt, and don’t forget GD was ready to hand her an Oscar for one of her BS performances, which turned out to be a lie.
 

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At this point GD and mostly his lawyer, have to determine if whatever prenup they have will help GD at all. If it‘s determined that it won’t hold up, I’d file immediately and get this divorce done.

Otherwise, trying to get enough evidence for the prenup to hold water might take more time.
P.I. pics of OM shirtless in the window can be explained enough to cast reasonable doubt, and don’t forget GD was ready to hand her an Oscar for one of her BS performances, which turned out to be a lie.
I would really like to see you explain how he ended up in their bedroom without a shirt on. Some humour here would be most welcome. Let me try first.

WW was much too sick to come to work, and McEvil was concerned for her health. After greeting him at the door, he told her she needed bed rest. In the process of assisting her to the bed, she vomits on his shirt. He removes it, closes the blinds so she can sleep while he puts the shirt in the wash. As soon as it’s dry, he leaves. Nothing to see here.
 

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I would really like to see you explain how he ended up in their bedroom without a shirt on. Some humour here would be most welcome. Let me try first.
There is a calendar coming out as a fundraiser for kids with cancer, sexiest lawyers in canada, WW was simply taking some preliminary photos for McCold's submission... it was all for charity...

ETA: closed the curtains to get the lighting right
 

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I would really like to see you explain how he ended up in their bedroom without a shirt on. Some humour here would be most welcome. Let me try first.
WW accidentally told him that there was a second-floor swimming pool in the house. He was so excited that he came over, unannounced, in his swimsuit with an inflatable duck. But he was concerned about UV exposure while swimming, so he closed the blinds.
 

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Hello everyone

This will be my last post until Sunday night or Monday morning. I had a great chat with my brother last night, and shared with him this forum’s concern that I might at some level be in danger. I don’t fully agree (though I appreciate the concern), however my brother absolutely does agree—and so he is whisking me away first thing tomorrow on a “brother’s retreat” into the wilderness. I don’t expect to be on here until Monday. But I wanted to write a courtesy note to everyone, in case my 3-day absence caused unnecessary concern.

Will do my best to keep this short.

Wife FaceTimed me last night. She honestly looked very unwell: pale, wan, sickly. She was teary, but gentle, and kept focusing on how much the ILYBNILWY was a huge mistake and not representative of reality. I think she is focusing on that because she sees that as the worst thing she has said or done to me … that I know about, as far as she knows.

She told me that her Mom is taking her away on a ‘mother-daughter’ retreat, next week, from Monday through Sunday. She said that she has told her mother ‘everything’ (as in: what she thinks I think I know: dead bedroom and ILYBNILWY), and that her mother is upset with her for how poor a wife she has been to me. My wife said she wants us to “Begin Again” when she is back, and that I will be shocked at the ‘new wife’ that she has become.

I told her that I appreciated all of that, but that the cumulative effect of the dead bedroom and her telling me she is no longer in love with me is very difficult to overcome. I said that I can’t make her any promises, but welcome whatever reflections she had upon her return. It was hard for me to ‘act’ like that; I hate lying, and am not good at it. But it seemed to calm her down and even to constitute a fair / hopeful response to her.

@drpod – your most recent post is uncannily, cleverly, on-point with where my legal options reside.

PI: coldness / protection

I think I may not have conveyed PI's reaction as accurately as I could. Let me try again.

What he seemed surprised by was really McD’s coldness. He felt that, in light of the context—that they had just screwed, and then were discussing such a weighty subject—that his combination of callousness, command, and coldness (how is that for three Cs?) was emblematic of someone lacking a moral compass. But it wasn’t so much a case of two lovers plotting my demise. If anything, my continued ‘role’ as unsuspecting husband is vital to both of them—at a material level (economics), optical level, and—alas—a sexual level, as I believe (as do you all?) that a great amount of their ‘kicks’ are in the infidelity and humiliation.

PI swept the house early this morning, and there are no devices, as far as he can tell.

Lastly (and this may seem like an odd point on which to sign off), I want to say this: it has been very difficult, throughout this last month, not to feel very sorry for myself and to be throwing myself daily pity parties. But if anything, as truly awful and soul-destroying as much of this has been, it has also allowed me to have enormous gratitude.

How lucky I am to have found this place, for one. How lucky I am to have the financial resources that I can hire a top PI, pay one of my city’s best lawyers, go on mini-retreats to help me in this process—all of which have helped me unearth and retain strong proof that (a) gives me the bad news I need and (b) will enable me to extricate myself from this nightmare with, at the very least, my dignity and key possessions and, more fantastically, something much more retaliatory. And that I have an even wealthier (!) brother who loves me unconditionally, and who can offer comforts for me that not everyone could afford.

So, I do count my blessings and feel that is unfair that I can be protected this much—when a man in my exact situation, but with fewer resources, would just be f*cked 9 ways to Sunday.

Finally, I want to say that none of you have anything to worry about, in terms of my wife’s recent appeals to my heart. Our relationship is over. Perhaps one day, deep into the future, if she has changed mightily across a huge sweep of different areas, I might entertain friendship. But I doubt even that.
GD. The issue now is your wife is in tooooo deep. She is now realizing how messed up she is and this situation is now out of hand. MCD has shown his true colors. "ABORT MY BABY" but keep yours. She is having a breakdown. She cannot recover form this and he does not care. He now sees that he has a lot to loose and he has to manipulate this storry. Your wife is screwed and he knows it. He is screwed and he knows it. The only thing is they do not know what you know. Their only hope is you know nothing but they do know you know something is wrong. In life you make certain decisions that are life altering. That is what they did and you are now the deciding party. You know what you have to do. End this your way and bring this to light. Your wife is screwed but she did this to herself. MCD si just trying to get away with this, His best case scenerio. Do not let that happen. Bring his ture nature to light. Start with the young lady who let you know what is going on AFTER you tell you wife it is over. Then inform the law firm and his trophy wife. She may already know. Let ehm know they messed with the wrong man and your wife is weak.
 

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I would really like to see you explain how he ended up in their bedroom without a shirt on. Some humour here would be most welcome. Let me try first.

WW was much too sick to come to work, and McEvil was concerned for her health. After greeting him at the door, he told her she needed bed rest. In the process of assisting her to the bed, she vomits on his shirt. He removes it, closes the blinds so she can sleep while he puts the shirt in the wash. As soon as it’s dry, he leaves. Nothing to see here.
I really feel you are all being pretty hard on her boss. He’s actually quite a nice fellow. I mean, this guy would give you the shirt off his back.
 

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But there is no crime here.

why would a court subpoena a confidential medical record for a medical procedure that is legal and protected by law (I’m assuming abortion has legal protections in Canada)

proof of an abortion is not required to secure a divorce and I doubt if this prenup has any stipulations regarding abortion so there would be no purpose in issuing a subpoena.

there are a lot of hoops and hurdles and federal red tape to subpoena medical records in actual criminal cases.

issuing a subpoena of confidential medical records of a consenting adult fooling around with her boss at work is not realistic.
It's about people lying under oath. If GD's lawyer gets POSOM or his wife to lie they can get into trouble. It's never the deed it's the lies.
 

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There is a calendar coming out as a fundraiser for kids with cancer, sexiest lawyers in canada, WW was simply taking some preliminary photos for McCold's submission... it was all for charity...

ETA: closed the curtains to get the lighting right
I can remember a Cheech and Chong skit where a lawyer was defending a drug charge. "My client merely found these drugs, and was on the way to the police station to turn them in when he was busted."

It's going to sound similarly believable.
 
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