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I believe that this may actually provide some insight into the differential observations based on the wearing or not wearing of a mask:

Our findings indicate that surgical masks can efficaciously reduce the emission of influenza virus particles into the environment in respiratory droplets, but not in aerosols.


It is clear to define respiratory droplets vs aerosols. You will encounter respiratory droplets when in close proximity to someone, say if you were having conversation with someone (the size of the droplets are of importance). As droplets begin to evaporate, the size changes and what remains in the evaporated droplets becomes aerosolized and can be carried more widely by eddies of air currents, i.e, potentially further than 2 m (6 ft).

So, while mask can trap the larger droplets, some of the droplets can start to evaporate and find its way into air currents. What was not discussed in the paper may be one that I believe is important and that is the use time of a mask. The typical surgical mask likely has a low usage time and after a while may no longer provide the protection to others. This because some of the saliva droplets in the mask may start to evaporate and become aerosolized. As with cloth mask (reusable), one should probably have more than one and change them out as well as clean them regularly.
 

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Mine your own data. Maybe start with the premise that the black box warnings are for drugs with a lot of side effects, rather the premise that Trump knows anything about drug safety.
Haha 😂 you can’t find any relevant information either. That’s why I’ve been asking. 🙂
 

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Haha 😂 you can’t find any relevant information either. That’s why I’ve been asking. 🙂
I gave you the link to the online FAERs system. If you cannot run a query in it to get data, that is not my problem. I even gave you some raw data from it and you just asked more questions. The link is there, if you want the answers, go get them.

Again, black box warnings are reserved for drugs with serious risks. This is a drug with black box warnings. That has been on this drug since 2013, and was updated in 2017 with more warnings. This is not a recent development to make Trump look bad.
 

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Haha 😂 you can’t find any relevant information either. That’s why I’ve been asking. 🙂
See my posting of the Lancet transcript. But, I am sure there will be more studies as indicated the Thailand branch of Oxford University is in the process of running their own study on Chloroquine on the efficacious treatment of COVID-19. Thus far, the only positive study has since been retracted (the French study).
 

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I think when it comes to the use of prophylactics, medications and vaccines, science needs to tread lightly in claims and be heavy on the research to show efficacy as well as pharmacokinetics (possible immunnogenicities and other toxicities). This is why it often takes so long to get drugs and vaccines approved for specific illnesses. These studies take time to fully vet for their proper use.
 

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See my posting of the Lancet transcript. But, I am sure there will be more studies as indicated the Thailand branch of Oxford University is in the process of running their own study on Chloroquine on the efficacious treatment of COVID-19. Thus far, the only positive study has since been retracted (the French study).
I merely asked the question of how many deaths have been reported for HCQ cocktail the President mentions.
How many deaths over all for HCQ since the mid 1900’s? Are there more deaths per year than Tylenol? More incidents reported? Just asking for a friend.
 

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I merely asked the question of how many deaths have been reported for HCQ cocktail the President mentions.
How many deaths over all for HCQ since the mid 1900’s? Are there more deaths per year than Tylenol? More incidents reported? Just asking for a friend.
I don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to the use of chloroquine. It is widely used around the world and in the US for malaria and certain autoimmune diseases. What I was merely suggesting was the efficacy use of chloroquine for COVID-19 either as a medication after infection or as a prophylactic. Thus far there are three studies that show no evidence of chloroquine doing either and the one study that did show results has since been retracted by the publisher of the science journal.

But as with any medication or vaccine we have to weigh the benefit/risk ratio. Given that chloroquine does not provide any benefit (as has been seen thus far) and does have some serious (heart arrhythmias) and not so serious side (nausea, hair loss, etc) effects, one should be careful in the use of it.

I am not an MD, but if I were, I would be reluctant to use this on my patients or advice my patients of the use of this drug for the treatment or prophylactic use against SARS-CoV-2.
 

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I don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to the use of chloroquine. It is widely used around the world and in the US for malaria and certain autoimmune diseases. What I was merely suggesting was the efficacy use of chloroquine for COVID-19 either as a medication after infection or as a prophylactic. Thus far there are three studies that show no evidence of chloroquine doing either and the one study that did show results has since been retracted by the publisher of the science journal.

But as with any medication or vaccine we have to weigh the benefit/risk ratio. Given that chloroquine does not provide any benefit (as has been seen thus far) and does have some serious (heart arrhythmias) and not so serious side (nausea, hair loss, etc) effects, one should be careful in the use of it.

I am not an MD, but if I were, I would be reluctant to use this on my patients or advice my patients of the use of this drug for the treatment or prophylactic use against SARS-CoV-2.
Yeah, It’s the darnedest thing, I can’t find any statistics on deaths for HCQ or CQ. As you say, it’s widely used around the world.

I personally used vitamins C, D and a few others as well as minerals and an assortment of supplements so it’s not for me. Of course I’ll be looking into what other benefits there are from taking HCQ.
  • In regards to using it for covid it seems to be more fear porn on the CQ and HCQ, same ole same ole.
 

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You're the one who seemed upset about the media lying to you and disputed their conclusions, but it appears you're more interested in accusing and running than you are in the truth.

You do realize putting "you do realize" in front of an unsubstantiated claim is still an unsubstantiated claim?
I have verified that the media lies to us all the time. More often than not when it comes to anything attached to an agenda. Even when the topic isn't polarized they frequently get important details wrong.

About all I am willing to cautiously stipulate is that there were trucks where they reported them to be. Though we know the media has grossly misrepresented photos which had nothing to do with the story as being something they weren't, in this case those trucks may have been there. Further than that, no I don't believe anything the NYT or other leftist media puts out about Covid19 because they have a clear bias and agenda in their reporting.
 

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Yeah, It’s the darnedest thing, I can’t find any statistics on deaths for HCQ or CQ. As you say, it’s widely used around the world.

I personally used vitamins C, D and a few others as well as minerals and an assortment of supplements so it’s not for me. Of course I’ll be looking into what other benefits there are from taking HCQ.
  • In regards to using it for covid it seems to be more fear porn on the CQ and HCQ, same ole same ole.
You can’t equate vitamins to medication like chloroquine... the benefit/risk ratio is not anywhere the same. While it may be true that the death rates from chloroquine may be a bit inflated in some reports, it is different from vitamins as it plays no essential role in our physiological well being.

Feel free to take all the vitamins you choose, I would just caution you on taking chloroquine as a prophylactic or if you were to be infected as a medical “cure”.

As far as prophylactics, the proper use of a mask serves a far better societal purpose.

I don’t see any of these in terms of fear mongering, simply as a matter of science.
 

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I have verified that the media lies to us all the time. More often than not when it comes to anything attached to an agenda. Even when the topic isn't polarized they frequently get important details wrong.

About all I am willing to cautiously stipulate is that there were trucks where they reported them to be. Though we know the media has grossly misrepresented photos which had nothing to do with the story as being something they weren't, in this case those trucks may have been there. Further than that, no I don't believe anything the NYT or other leftist media puts out about Covid19 because they have a clear bias and agenda in their reporting.
Got it. A news piece in the news (not the opinion) section of the most decorated newspaper in US history with references to the publicly available information upon which it was based included .

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I have verified that the media lies to us all the time. More often than not when it comes to anything attached to an agenda. Even when the topic isn't polarized they frequently get important details wrong.

About all I am willing to cautiously stipulate is that there were trucks where they reported them to be. Though we know the media has grossly misrepresented photos which had nothing to do with the story as being something they weren't, in this case those trucks may have been there. Further than that, no I don't believe anything the NYT or other leftist media puts out about Covid19 because they have a clear bias and agenda in their reporting.
Ok, public mortality data doesn't clear your bar for objectivity while an internet chat room apparently does.

Maybe I could shout loud enough that you could hear me through the hands over your ears, but I will just point out what is fact vs. speculation and leave it at that.
 

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And as always and worth repeating those who are likely to have the worst outcomes if infected:

 

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I am impressed by how many people here blindly trust the media to provide unbiased truth.
I don’t watch the news, I deal in science. Anyway, there is already a COVID-19 and Politics thread in the politics forum. If you want to make this about politics, stay over there and feel free to rant all you want over there.

SARS-CoV-2 is not political it is about science, health and safety.
 
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