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Surprisingly, no. Using CRISPR and other technologies may make it viable - and soon - to create a baby's genome directly on a computer, and send that directly to an artificially created embryo in a single process.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23831730-300-making-babies-how-to-create-human-embryos-with-no-egg-or-sperm/

Right now it's skin cells -> embryo but it doesn't seem far fetched to create nucleus free stem cells directly using something like 3-D biological printing, then add whatever genome you want to add directly to it. Then let it replicate.
It still will take awhile before they can show that an actual living baby can survive this entire process. However, even so, I think it's great. Unwanted babies are a problem for everyone (especially the baby!) Wanted babies will in theory cause less unwanted babies. Healthy babies are happier than unhealthy ones. All of the tech coming up will also allow same sex couples to have their own babies (except for the need of a womb in some cases). To me this is all progressive and helpful to future generations.
 

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It still will take awhile before they can show that an actual living baby can survive this entire process. However, even so, I think it's great. Unwanted babies are a problem for everyone (especially the baby!) Wanted babies will in theory cause less unwanted babies. Healthy babies are happier than unhealthy ones. All of the tech coming up will also allow same sex couples to have their own babies (except for the need of a womb in some cases). To me this is all progressive and helpful to future generations.
I remember having to explain to my kids what an encyclopedia was - I still have the one we scrimped and saved for in my youth, and was expensive, and they asked why we had one and why it was important.

I explained that when we were doing homework or trying to learn about something, there was no internet (at least the way we have it today), so it was either go to the library, or be lucky enough to have an encyclopedia. They looked at me shocked, and asked "what do you mean, go to the library?" So I said "I'd get on my bike or walk to the library, look stuff up on cards or ask the librarian, and find the books, read them, then write my paper or whatever by hand. And if someone else had the book, I waited for them to return it."

To which they asked, "but that would take all day!" And I said "Yes, or longer."

I think my kids will be explaining to their kids what driving a car is, and maybe their kids will be explaining to their kids what being pregnant is.
 

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@Marduk I don’t think the new tech that will allow designer babies and even ones that have an artificial womb will stop humans from still having natural babies. Unless all the humans become sterilized or infertile, there will always be natural babies. It will still be the most efficient way to have a baby and it will still happen intentionally or unintentionally as long as people are having sex.

Another good thing that will happen in the future is safe effective birth control for men. When that happens, men will be able to have sex without causing an unwanted pregnancy, which will be awesome. But just as women do have effective birth control now and can choose when they want to have a baby if they want one, men will still choose to do that too. So there will still be babies, just less unwanted ones.
 

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I honestly can't believe this "article" got so many responses. Here is my take. Literally NOTHING has changed. Men aren't sitting around thinking I am not going to commit because I am angry about feminism. I don't recall me or any of my friends in our twenties wanting to settle down and have kids. It just wasn't on our radar. It was one of those, "maybe one day" kind of things. We just wanted to have fun. So thats what we did. You date, you meet people, and you have cool experiences, until one day you meet someone and you feel like you only want to be with them, and until that moment happens to you. You'll swear up and down that you aren't ready to settle down. But most of us will have that moment, and I don't see that changing. Ever. People are going to continue to couple up in long term committed relationships.
 

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@Marduk I don’t think the new tech that will allow designer babies and even ones that have an artificial womb will stop humans from still having natural babies. Unless all the humans become sterilized or infertile, there will always be natural babies. It will still be the most efficient way to have a baby and it will still happen intentionally or unintentionally as long as people are having sex.

Another good thing that will happen in the future is safe effective birth control for men. When that happens, men will be able to have sex without causing an unwanted pregnancy, which will be awesome. But just as women do have effective birth control now and can choose when they want to have a baby if they want one, men will still choose to do that too. So there will still be babies, just less unwanted ones.
I'm not so sure... I could see, say, 2-5 generations down the line, people purposefully sterilizing themselves before puberty, or even purposefully having sterile babies.

We have moved so much to a convenience culture with no sign of that stopping. Having a baby is very inconvenient, dangerous, and you don't know what you're going to get. So I could see it being normalized very quickly to 'order' one instead should you wish to reproduce.

Take hunting, for example. Sure, a few people still hunt - but it's a fraction of the people that eat. Most people just go to the grocery store or increasingly, order the food to your door.

Also, laterally, a key component limiting human intelligence is likely squeezing a skull through a birth canal - that problem also goes away with engineered children. If we naturally sexually select for intelligence - which we do - and you could only have a > 160 IQ baby non-naturally... well, soon, all babies will be non-natural. Because only the ones that are get selected for. That's evolution.
 

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IMO, it is that now. And I don't understand all the hand wringing about young people not getting married. They are smarter than we and our parents were. They are leading themselves away from the same mistakes we all made.

And then all the old people worry and hand wring and say "kids these days they are ruining society". Phhhhtttt. Kids are saving their own future because they are doing it differently.

Also anecdotal....my son has decided he does not want any biological kids, ever. So he had a vasectomy at age 29. He figures if he wants to be around kids or add to their future, there are plenty of unwanted kids who need homes, he can be a step parent, he can foster kids, or he can give his time to charities that benefit kids. To me this was the most mature and awesome decision.
You know what I find funny? Everyone points to porn, video games, apathy and lack of religion.

I’d like to see a study on parenting. I told my kids to live on your own, get an education travel the world and then decide if you want to get married and have kids. I know many parents like this now. I was taught education, marriage and family.

Oh, to add, I was brought up extremely religious.
 

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20s is rather young, many men that age are still in university or beginning their careers let alone trying to settle down buying an engagement ring, arranging a marriage, securing a deposit for their first home, etc etc. Not to mention most around that age would have much to learn about life and relationships in general, I know when I first joined this forum in my 20s I was an idiot and lunatic, still am kinda.

30+, sure I guess, still the 20-34 thing not such a fan of - people shouldn't be pushing to get married young and if they want strong families not countless broken families, society needs to acknowledge that fact. I'm a product of a broken family and due to my immaturity and youth I also have my own broken family that can never be repaired. I only wish I wasn't pressured to commitment until I was sure I had found the right one and that I was ready.

I'd say marital age should be 30+ not less, yes, this may mean giving less time on the fertility window but 10 years is a long time.
 

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IMO, it is that now. And I don't understand all the hand wringing about young people not getting married.
As with most things, follow the money. Our economy hums along nicely when we have men and women marrying and having babies.
Some interesting facts (from my book "NOW WHAT?"):

$7 trillion in consumer and business spending is contributed by women in the U.S.
2/3 of the consumer wealth in America will belong to women within the next decade.
85% of purchases and purchase influences are made by women.
50% of products marketed to men are purchased by women.
60% of all personal wealth in American is held by women.
51% of all stock in America is held by women.
92% of vacations are purchased by women.
93% of food is purchased by women.
Over the course of a family’s life, 90% of married women will control its wealth.

Now... how does a single man compare? Look at the Herbivore Men in Japan. They stay in. They play games. They're on the internet. How about the guys who have luck with women? They just bounce from girl to girl and hang out with their buddies. There's no house and 2.5 kids. There's no minivan or pointless SUV. There's no nursery full of baby stuff. There's no $30k wedding. Hell, there aren't even decorations on the damn walls! There's a big screen tv, an xbox, a recliner, and some cereal in the cupboard.

This tweet recently went viral: https://twitter.com/kathasty/status/1073008400160694273?lang=en
 

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I don't think marriage is as necessary as it used to be because there are a lot more options for how people live their lives.

I'm married, but it doesn't really matter (to either of us) we could just as easily have been living together for 30 years. No kids, so the marriage doesn't really change anything important

In a world where gender rolls were strongly defined, marriage was part of being functioning unit of society. Today its different, my wife and and would both be completely functional separately - being together is something we want, not something we need.

I have no objection to people who want a traditional lifestyle, its just that there are also other options available.
 

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I don't think marriage is as necessary as it used to be because there are a lot more options for how people live their lives.

I'm married, but it doesn't really matter (to either of us) we could just as easily have been living together for 30 years. No kids, so the marriage doesn't really change anything important
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Did you ask your wife before you said that!

I’m joking but the world is surely evolving twords a more loosely based system....good or bad ????
 

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She doesn't care about marriage either. We got married to keep her parents from complaining (35 years ago), but it didn't mean anything to either of us. We'd been dating for over 5 years before that.

Did you ask your wife before you said that!

I’m joking but the world is surely evolving twords a more loosely based system....good or bad ????
 

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My wife and I married only to have kids. And only then because we felt like we should do it before kids, and because we felt it would make travel easier with children.

For example, when we backpacked peru while dating, hotels didn't want us to stay in the same room without showing them our marriage certificate (parts are very catholic). It would also be problematic for us to go to her family's ancestral home without being legally married. So we did.

Today, I'm not sure we'd bother. Even to this day we really only celebrate the day we started dating, and often forget our wedding anniversary, or even how long we've actually been married. It's more of a legal/convenience thing for us than anything.
 

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As with most things, follow the money. Our economy hums along nicely when we have men and women marrying and having babies.
Some interesting facts (from my book "NOW WHAT?"):

$7 trillion in consumer and business spending is contributed by women in the U.S.
2/3 of the consumer wealth in America will belong to women within the next decade.
85% of purchases and purchase influences are made by women.
50% of products marketed to men are purchased by women.
60% of all personal wealth in American is held by women.
51% of all stock in America is held by women.
92% of vacations are purchased by women.
93% of food is purchased by women.
Over the course of a family’s life, 90% of married women will control its wealth.

Now... how does a single man compare? Look at the Herbivore Men in Japan. They stay in. They play games. They're on the internet. How about the guys who have luck with women? They just bounce from girl to girl and hang out with their buddies. There's no house and 2.5 kids. There's no minivan or pointless SUV. There's no nursery full of baby stuff. There's no $30k wedding. Hell, there aren't even decorations on the damn walls! There's a big screen tv, an xbox, a recliner, and some cereal in the cupboard.

This tweet recently went viral: https://twitter.com/kathasty/status/1073008400160694273?lang=en

I don't see any of this as a problem. When coupled up, women make most of the financial decisions for both of them. When single, men make their own decisions. I don't care what they buy or spend their money on, why would I? As a single person myself, even though I am female, I do not make spending decisions that would make sense to a lot of people - and definitely not coupled people. I can be very selfish and focused on ways I like to be entertained or pleasurable experiences or fun but useless objects. Who cares?
 

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I don't see any of this as a problem. When coupled up, women make most of the financial decisions for both of them. When single, men make their own decisions. I don't care what they buy or spend their money on, why would I? As a single person myself, even though I am female, I do not make spending decisions that would make sense to a lot of people - and definitely not coupled people. I can be very selfish and focused on ways I like to be entertained or pleasurable experiences or fun but useless objects. Who cares?
Economists care. Not being married and popping out kids has dramatic effects on the economy. Otherwise. nobody would care.
 

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Economists care. Not being married and popping out kids has dramatic effects on the economy. Otherwise. nobody would care.
Oh well, poor economists. If the entire economy changes because less people get married, then that's what happens. The future will be what it is, and the buyers of the future will buy what they do.
 

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I love the bullpoop attention grabbing click bait title.

Let me re-title this article.

"70% of young men aren't married because they're either single and mingling or living together without marriage."

Also, I'd like to point out to Crouse that unmarried parents who live together in committed relationships are providing two parent family Gold Standard upbringings for their kids.

Additionally, freakin DUH! Society started telling men and woman they should spend their 20's and early 30's getting educated, starting careers, paying down debt, traveling, "finding themselves", and dating because they "have plenty of time" and "30 is the new 20!" Of course these people aren't getting married util later in life! We've pretty much been telling them marrying "young" in their 20's is irresponsible and that they need to accomplish ABC and D before even thinking about marriage and kids.
Indeed.

It equates to the average age for marriage being about 30. How many men will be considered a viable husband (own home, established job) by then and also then be in the realtionship and get married.
 

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All I can say is;

The two parent married couple has long been proven to be the best way for a man/woman to have kids and a family.

So,

If a man is so fortunate and a little bit of luck, to find a woman he loves, that puts up with his wild hairs time to time and said man feels like it's time to procreate, it's a good thing.

For me, I hoped to have a couple boys and girls, we had two boys and stopped; it worked out pretty good.

I'm very happy. I know this is just one case of it worked out but ok.
 

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All I can say is;

The two parent married couple has long been proven to be the best way for a man/woman to have kids and a family.

So,

If a man is so fortunate and a little bit of luck, to find a woman he loves, that puts up with his wild hairs time to time and said man feels like it's time to procreate, it's a good thing.

For me, I hoped to have a couple boys and girls, we had two boys and stopped; it worked out pretty good.

I'm very happy. I know this is just one case of it worked out but ok.
Worked well for us also.......

I’m not complaining....

It does make logistics easier than those than choose not to I reckon.
 
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